Sports Wagering one step closer in NJ....

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by Canarsie

Unlike other I do not withhold information on either side of the coin. So here is what came out today on nj.com. Sheesh one person would want these links to be considered sensitive material so no one else can read them.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf...n_lesniak.html

Immediately following the issuance of the temporary restraining order, Judge Shipp entered a “Scheduling Order,” in which he ordered the parties to file “joint e-correspondence” by Monday, October 27, at 11:00 a.m. indicating: (1) whether any party seeks discovery prior to the Court’s decision on the leagues’ preliminary injunction application; (2) each party’s position “regarding the necessity of a preliminary injunction hearing”; and (3) whether any party wishes to file a supplemental brief in support of or in opposition to the leagues’ application for a preliminary injunction. The 11:00 a.m. deadline on the filing of the joint e-correspondence suggests that the Court wishes to enter a scheduling order (perhaps setting a hearing date and allowing for limited pre-hearing discovery) later in the day on Monday. Expect New Jersey to ask for a hearing on the preliminary injunction motion and for “pre-hearing” discovery, while the leagues (as the early victors) will insist that neither is necessary. No surprise there.
Just for you Mr C....

[biggestal99]

I subscribe to pacer for up to date court stuff.

No links available.

Sorry c.

I know nothing but what is publicly available.

Just my opinion from as to what is going on as I see it.

Everything is my and only my opinion.

Allan

[Canarsie]

Originally Posted by onefast99

Immediately following the issuance of the temporary restraining order, Judge Shipp entered a “Scheduling Order,” in which he ordered the parties to file “joint e-correspondence” by Monday, October 27, at 11:00 a.m. indicating: (1) whether any party seeks discovery prior to the Court’s decision on the leagues’ preliminary injunction application; (2) each party’s position “regarding the necessity of a preliminary injunction hearing”; and (3) whether any party wishes to file a supplemental brief in support of or in opposition to the leagues’ application for a preliminary injunction. The 11:00 a.m. deadline on the filing of the joint e-correspondence suggests that the Court wishes to enter a scheduling order (perhaps setting a hearing date and allowing for limited pre-hearing discovery) later in the day on Monday. Expect New Jersey to ask for a hearing on the preliminary injunction motion and for “pre-hearing” discovery, while the leagues (as the early victors) will insist that neither is necessary. No surprise there.
Just for you Mr C....

I didn't mean you not by a longshot.

We have discussed this matter intelligently you know I want it to happen but think it will be a colossal failure.

The one question you might be able to help me out on is what kind of incentive clause anyone representing MP gets if William Hill starts taking wagers? I think that is a reasonable request since Mr. Lesniak gave them exactly what they needed in record time.

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by Canarsie

Once again a link please. It seems to me that you withhold them just to try and prove how knowledgeable you are on the subject. Show me one item of proof that the NFL wants to stretch it out. Did you ever work at the Inquirer?

Do you really think the NFL cares about 1.7 mil? That's equivalent to me ordering from the dollar menu at a fast food restaurant.

How come NOBODY who is on strong side of SW rebuts what I wrote about their management? Could it be they are due some bonus if it passes through the courts?

I know the nfl doesn't care about the money (3.4 now) however monmouth i assure does.

They lost 3 million last year and 3 million this one. They are bleeding money. Who makes out if sw goes into effect, well will hill, monmouth racetrack, the horsemen who race their horses there, the employees, if monmouth shutters its a devestating blow to racing with ap on the brink we are about to lose two premier racetracks.

Allan

[Canarsie]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

I subscribe to pacer for up to date court stuff.

No links available.

Sorry c.

I know nothing but what is publicly available.

Just my opinion from as to what is going on as I see it.

Everything is my and only my opinion.

Allan

No link when you subscribe to something? there has to be at least an rss feed.

So why does my statement about how much revenue goes through Vegas is wrong (probably is I trust others) and you are right? This sounds like when the internet was in unix and everybody wanted to sound important.

Has your opinion been right at least once? Please provide a link.

By the way how is exchange wagering doing? I want it in NJ but once again you said it would happen around three years ago is that not a fact.

Aren't you the guy who said Betfair NJ would be operational in June 2011?

where is Betfair NJ now?

[Canarsie]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

I know the nfl doesn't care about the money (3.4 now) however monmouth i assure does.

They lost 3 million last year and 3 million this one. They are bleeding money. Who makes out if sw goes into effect, well will hill, monmouth racetrack, the horsemen who race their horses there, the employees, if monmouth shutters its a devestating blow to racing with ap on the brink we are about to lose two premier racetracks.

Allan

Can you get it through your brain that I'm not against sw at all. I question the law and also the company I can't find out anything about running it.

Also Mr. Goren put me in my place with links when it came to poker he is very well informed on the subject. He has been fighting the poker battle for a long time. He has credibility that stands tall to me on the subject.


Judges are supposed to interpret the law not give their opinion. They cite cases when rendering decisions they don't say I'm from the right or left and this is the way it should be politically.

The funny thing is I can't see the NFL going full speed against it they just have to put on a good show for the public. Who is spending the money for all the lawyers William Hill or monmouth park?

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by onefast99

The rights that allow Las Vegas to accept wagering on "their" product but another state cannot?
You don't have any idea what you are talking about when it comes to the cost for the leagues to say yes to NJ, no one knows the value of sports wagering in NJ at this point so your silly reference that "It would tens of billions up front plus a percentage just for NJ" is absurd.
Dennis Drazin tried to sit down with the professional sports leagues but they refused eventually they will sit down with him.

My point exactly. The price for NJ is going to be very high because they are the first. Even if they get an agreement with the sports leagues, some anti-gambling group will sue and NJ will still end up in court. Don't think for minute that US Supreme Court won't have to make at least decision on whether or not to hear this issue.
Nevada is grandfathered in. You may not like it, but NJ (and other states) have to play by different rules because they are late to the table. Grandfathering in businesses has ton of precedence in law.

[SandyW]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Oral argument on 11-20

Bond that nfl puts in escrow for damages if they lose to 3.4million.

Allan

When you think of what the NFL makes just on TV alone 3.4million is just chump change to the league.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by nearco

The gross revenue for all the Las Vegas sports books combined in 2012 was $170million.
Last year Will Hill had $1.45 billion in revenue.
Las Vegas sportsbooks are minor league compared to the big British Bookies.

Of course. US Based casinos would rather their customers play slots. The house edge is the largest on small denomination machines.
Plus sports betting in the UK is a cultural norm. Here in the US it is viewed by the uninformed as a vice.

[thespaah]

I think it's time to end the hypocrisy. The NFL is the main plaintiff in these proceedings.
Now, if the NFL is so concerned with 'irreparable harm', why then are there point spreads and injury reports in every major daily newspaper across the country? Why then are there sports shows on TV and radio which hire handicappers that analyze games in terms of betting odds, point spreads and game totals?
Someone please tell me where the irreparable harm lies?
And if anyone thinks the Vegas casinos are paying the sports leagues a dime to offer wagering on the respective sports, by all means, please show the data.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by thespaah

I think it's time to end the hypocrisy. The NFL is the main plaintiff in these proceedings.
Now, if the NFL is so concerned with 'irreparable harm', why then are there point spreads and injury reports in every major daily newspaper across the country? Why then are there sports shows on TV and radio which hire handicappers that analyze games in terms of betting odds, point spreads and game totals?
Someone please tell me where the irreparable harm lies?
And if anyone thinks the Vegas casinos are paying the sports leagues a dime to offer wagering on the respective sports, by all means, please show the data.

Not to mention, think of all the additional advertising revenue they receive by people staying tuned into to blowout games because of betting, overs and unders and other wagers that are still in doubt a lot of the time right to the very end. The NFL is collecting money from advertisers and without sports betting, a company showing a tv commercial in the 4th quarter wouldnt' be guaranteed a captive audience, but with betting, they are.

I do agree about the injury reports, right there, they are putting their own players at risk of further injury if rival players know the area that is injured.

Injury reports being made available by the league is for one reason only. Gamblers and betting.

How about Monday night football? THis game was invented as the "Get out game" for all the gamblers who lost their shirt on Sunday. They had "one shot" to get it all back on Monday.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by thespaah

I think it's time to end the hypocrisy. The NFL is the main plaintiff in these proceedings.
Now, if the NFL is so concerned with 'irreparable harm', why then are there point spreads and injury reports in every major daily newspaper across the country? Why then are there sports shows on TV and radio which hire handicappers that analyze games in terms of betting odds, point spreads and game totals?
Someone please tell me where the irreparable harm lies?
And if anyone thinks the Vegas casinos are paying the sports leagues a dime to offer wagering on the respective sports, by all means, please show the data.

Here is what the leagues felt they proved for Judge Shipp to sign the TRO, (1) likelihood of success on the merits, (2) irreparable harm, (3) a balancing of the hardships between the parties shows that the moving party will suffer more harm, and (4) the relief sought is consistent with the public interest. Furthermore the leagues have stated that NJ is actually regulating sports wagering "in a clear effort to authorize and promote sports wagering that is authorized and regulated by the state."
Judge Shipps order “shall remain in effect until this Court resolves [the pending] application for a preliminary injunction.” I don't see Judge Shipps TRO being modified, vacated or changed. The silver lining in the clouds is the Third Cricuits previous ruling,"it is to be left up to each state to decide how much of a law enforcement priority it wants to make of sports gambling, or what the exact contours of the prohibition will be.”

[SandyW]

Originally Posted by onefast99

Here is what the leagues felt they proved for Judge Shipp to sign the TRO, (1) likelihood of success on the merits, (2) irreparable harm, (3) a balancing of the hardships between the parties shows that the moving party will suffer more harm, and (4) the relief sought is consistent with the public interest. Furthermore the leagues have stated that NJ is actually regulating sports wagering "in a clear effort to authorize and promote sports wagering that is authorized and regulated by the state."
Judge Shipps order “shall remain in effect until this Court resolves [the pending] application for a preliminary injunction.” I don't see Judge Shipps TRO being modified, vacated or changed. The silver lining in the clouds is the Third Cricuits previous ruling,"it is to be left up to each state to decide how much of a law enforcement priority it wants to make of sports gambling, or what the exact contours of the prohibition will be.”

Sports wagering will fall by the wayside just like exchange wagering did a few years ago.
The 3ed circuit will not change and does not have the power to change federal law and allow sports wagering under any and all circumstances.

[Canarsie]

Originally Posted by thespaah

I think it's time to end the hypocrisy. The NFL is the main plaintiff in these proceedings.
Now, if the NFL is so concerned with 'irreparable harm', why then are there point spreads and injury reports in every major daily newspaper across the country? Why then are there sports shows on TV and radio which hire handicappers that analyze games in terms of betting odds, point spreads and game totals?
Someone please tell me where the irreparable harm lies?
And if anyone thinks the Vegas casinos are paying the sports leagues a dime to offer wagering on the respective sports, by all means, please show the data.

There is no harm I think most people on the anti sw side would agree to that. That position is a joke but stranger cases have been won and then the supreme court refuses to hear the case.

Throw in fantasy football which I know zero about. I was just looking at the nielsen ratings and FF has larger viewership than a bunch of football shows like pro football talk. Gambling talks in football, NFL opposition is like a sideshow at the circus. While my opinion is known on sw in NJ I would love to see Goodell be forced to testify on the NFL's behalf. I think an attorney just out of law school could make him squirm, Rachel Nichols asked a few questions and you can almost see and hear his knees knocking.

I'm not sure but do some announcers or analysts give out the points earned by some players during a broadcast?

[Robert Goren]

The NFL has done a pretty good job of running its own business. I think it is a bit presumptive of some posters to think they know how to run the NFL better than the owners just because the posters wants to make a bet. If that is the best argument that NJ can make, it will be laughed out of court.