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12-07-2015, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
I missed where I attached public support/opposition to any of his positions in that list. Another poster stated there was no difference between GWB (who I've trashed repeatedly on foreign policy, by the way) and Obama. I listed policy differences.
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You seem to be very good at that, Mike. Repeating things without supporting or condemning them, I mean...
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12-07-2015, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
Trump has gained momentum because the citizens are disgusted with "politics as usual"...and they are flocking to the "outsider"...who shows that he has total disregard for the current political system as it stands...involving BOTH political parties. If the voters choose the "outsider"...then this will prove that they are awake and disgusted enough to bring about some REAL change in the political climate of this country.
But if the citizens DON'T vote for an "outsider"...then it means that they aren't disgusted enough...and they've fallen back "asleep". A vote for Clinton or Cruz is a vote for "politics as usual"...and no real change.
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The only thing I would say here Thask is "majority"....
Most of what you said is true if we add the word "enough" (in terms of voters). 30 % disgusted or disgruntled voters wont work.....
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12-07-2015, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
You seem to be very good at that, Mike. Repeating things without supporting or condemning them, I mean...
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You read opinion into a post that contained no opinion. You made a mistake. I make tons of mistakes.
I've condemned Trump. I've repeatedly criticized GWB and Cheney for invading Iraq. I've repeated blasted diBlaso. I've repeatedly criticized Obama for not owning up to the seriousness of the terrorist threat. I've called the Clintons liars. I criticized any number of Supreme Court rulings. I guess you missed all those posts and more. No problem.
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12-07-2015, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
You read opinion into a post that contained no opinion. You made a mistake. I make tons of mistakes.
I've condemned Trump. I've repeatedly criticized GWB and Cheney for invading Iraq. I've repeated blasted diBlaso. I've repeatedly criticized Obama for not owning up to the seriousness of the terrorist threat. I've called the Clintons liars. I criticized any number of Supreme Court rulings. I guess you missed all those posts and more. No problem.
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Mike...I've read your posts #2185 and #2189 ten times...and they do not seem devoid of "opinion" to me. If I am wrong...then I apologize.
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12-07-2015, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
Mike...I've read your posts #2185 and #2189 ten times...and they do not seem devoid of "opinion" to me. If I am wrong...then I apologize.
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Well #2189 was posted after you posted (paraphrase), "and I wonder why he was so unpopular" comment, which is what I thought we were discussing. Yes, post #2189 implies that Reps have been doing a good job at winning elected offices around the country. That was my only point. Do I need to support that? I think the numbers speak for themselves. I can't comment on every elected official in the country. If you want my opinion on a specific elected official (and I know the official), I'll gladly share it. I'm a Republican, but I criticize Reps all the time.
As for post #2185, I was honestly just listing policy differences. In most cases, I agreed with GWB on the issues. You read the post as if I was "supporting" those positions? That can't be - you just told me I'm good at not supporting positions. It seems like you want to have it both ways, but no big deal.
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12-07-2015, 06:29 PM
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CNN Iowa poll I just saw is
Trump 33%
Cruz 20%
Carson 16%
Rubio 11%
Mr.Fixit 4%
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12-07-2015, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
Well #2189 was posted after you posted (paraphrase), "and I wonder why he was so unpopular" comment, which is what I thought we were discussing. Yes, post #2189 implies that Reps have been doing a good job at winning elected offices around the country. That was my only point. Do I need to support that? I think the numbers speak for themselves. I can't comment on every elected official in the country. If you want my opinion on a specific elected official (and I know the official), I'll gladly share it. I'm a Republican, but I criticize Reps all the time.
As for post #2185, I was honestly just listing policy differences. In most cases, I agreed with GWB on the issues. You read the post as if I was "supporting" those positions? That can't be - you just told me I'm good at not supporting positions. It seems like you want to have it both ways, but no big deal.
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No...I only told you that you were "not supporting positions", when YOU told me that THAT'S what you were doing. I always suspected that you were placing Bush in a favorable light when you compared him to Obama in post #2185...but YOU made it a point to tell me that I was wrong...and that you were NOT giving an opinion in that post. Now you say that you DID, in fact, agree with Bush in most of the cases.
To me, it seems as if it's YOU who wants to "have it both ways". But, as you say...no big deal.
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12-07-2015, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
No...I only told you that you were "not supporting positions", when YOU told me that THAT'S what you were doing. I always suspected that you were placing Bush in a favorable light when you compared him to Obama in post #2185...but YOU made it a point to tell me that I was wrong...and that you were NOT giving an opinion in that post. Now you say that you DID, in fact, agree with Bush in most of the cases.
To me, it seems as if it's YOU who wants to "have it both ways". But, as you say...no big deal.
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If I were opining on that list (post #2185), I would put most of (not all) GWB's positions in a positive light, but I really wasn't doing that. I was just trying to list a bunch of issues where Obama and GWB differed. That's all. You probably don't believe me, but it's the truth.
Now back to Trump.
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12-07-2015, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by woodtoo
CNN Iowa poll I just saw is
Trump 33%
Cruz 20%
Carson 16%
Rubio 11%
Mr.Fixit 4%
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Does Trump actually have a ground game (i.e., network of supporters who get people to the local bingo halls/schools/etc to caucus) in Iowa? It really matters in a caucus state. I haven't seen any articles on this matter.
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12-07-2015, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
The key word is republican . He will get very few non republican votes. A Trump GOP ticket would have tough time getting 45% in the general election. He would carry only the deep South and a few Great Plains states. Of course the same is true of most of the GOP candidates. The GOP seems to have no interest in putting up a candidate which can appeal enough voters to win a general election. They would rather an ideological pure candidate than winning one.
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Yet you Dems have put up Hilary.
On what planet do you think Hilary will get more independent or crossover votes than Trump? It sure isn't on this planet.
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12-07-2015, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
Does Trump actually have a ground game (i.e., network of supporters who get people to the local bingo halls/schools/etc to caucus) in Iowa? It really matters in a caucus state. I haven't seen any articles on this matter.
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I honestly don't know, he doesn't really show his hand that much.
I did just hear he is going to announce he would like to see a total muslim ban. Have to see his speech to find out.
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12-07-2015, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by raybo
What in the hell are you trying to say here? That post should have been deleted, for obvious reasons, and the poster severely chastised!
You sir, don't deserve the right to post anywhere, if you are going to post such garbage!
Welcome to my ignore list!!
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Overreact much?
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12-07-2015, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
I disagree. In fact, I think the ONLY chance the GOP has is if they nominate Trump, as he's a bit unpredictable and a wild card in terms of where he might draw support in a national election.
The others are too predictable and will most likely result in near-certain loss to Clinton.
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Maybe or maybe not, but I do believe he has paid for a killer document that will turn her into a political pariah overnight when released.
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12-07-2015, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by fast4522
Maybe or maybe not, but I do believe he has paid for a killer document that will turn her into a political pariah overnight when released.
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Didn't he also pay for a "killer document"...which was supposed to ensure that Obama didn't get re-elected?
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12-07-2015, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
Didn't he also pay for a "killer document"...which was supposed to ensure that Obama didn't get re-elected?
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Forget him, Dot Kim told the world it existed and who had it. Your not the kind of guy who could afford it, think about it for a minute.
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