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Old 09-15-2018, 12:31 PM   #1
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Horse Weights

Gulfstream now tracking, posting horse weights
By Mary Rampellini
https://www.drf.com/news/gulfstream-...-horse-weights

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Gulfstream Park has been posting the weights of starters in each of his races this meet. The horses are weighed on a scale located in the paddock area by racing official George Berry, who then sends the numbers to the graphics department to be posted alongside the odds for the upcoming race. The practice started during the championship meet, but on a limited basis, said Chris Camac, racing secretary at Gulfstream.
Today's first race, the weights for each horse as weighed at GP this morning.

1005
985
2651
889
175
:22.3
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Old 09-15-2018, 12:35 PM   #2
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Don't worry, CJ will weigh them by video replay.
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Gulfstream now tracking, posting horse weights
By Mary Rampellini
https://www.drf.com/news/gulfstream-...-horse-weights



Today's first race, the weights for each horse as weighed at GP this morning.

1005
985
2651
889
175
:22.3
#3 weighs 2651 lb.s and #5 175 #6 :22.3? What are a Clydesdale a Great Dane and a clock doing in a Thoroughbred horse race?

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Old 09-15-2018, 04:51 PM   #4
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Horse Race Weight Calculation

You can set up a reusable matrix in an Excel spreadsheet and calculate each horse’s race weight quickly in each race with the following formula:

(Net Force/Acceleration) * gravity (9.81) *2.205-the Assigned Weight = Horse Body Weight during the race

Example:

Justify’s Ky Derby Body Weight

= (1.712049/.02682) *9.81*2.205 = (1,381.8 -126) = 1,255.8 Lbs

The horse’s race body weight will always be less than the before racing scaled body weight because the horse will always lose weight during the race due to the resistance forces it confronted during race. This race weight loss is because of energy expenditure which is velocity and distance dependent.
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Racing official George Berry obviously deserves a raise in pay, for taking his horse-weighing responsibilities so seriously.
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You can set up a reusable matrix in an Excel spreadsheet and calculate each horse’s race weight quickly in each race with the following formula:

(Net Force/Acceleration) * gravity (9.81) *2.205-the Assigned Weight = Horse Body Weight during the race

Example:

Justify’s Ky Derby Body Weight

= (1.712049/.02682) *9.81*2.205 = (1,381.8 -126) = 1,255.8 Lbs

The horse’s race body weight will always be less than the before racing scaled body weight because the horse will always lose weight during the race due to the resistance forces it confronted during race. This race weight loss is because of energy expenditure which is velocity and distance dependent.
Or use a scale.
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Yawn...wake me up when they post the weight for the PREVIOUS race as well...in THE form or Bris or TF or equabase....means nothing WITHOUT context...then of course it means a lot....guess those enterprising enough can start charting and keeping records...but for people who don't play gulfstream every day...still sucks...

Thask is right tho...it IS a start....
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We ran the weights for all the horses which competed in the just concluded races at Saratoga (approximately 395 races excluding the hurdles) during the meet quickly and with ease. In my opinion, the greatest benefit was realized in non-stake races.
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We ran the weights for all the horses which competed in the just concluded races at Saratoga (approximately 395 races excluding the hurdles) during the meet quickly and with ease. In my opinion, the greatest benefit was realized in non-stake races.
how did ya'll get the weights...???....and were they available before the races?
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Cratos, are these values constants or are they derived.

(1.712049/.02682) *9.81*2.205
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They were all made before and after each race each day; my post (#4 of this thread) explains the science in a formula. This is done in most industries that require an evaluation of force and motion.

Is there merit to having the horse’s weight?

Yes, there is; the calculation of the horse’s energy = 1/2M*V^2 and can easily be calculated.

Also, the horse’s power and velocity can use the conversion of weight to mass in those calculations.
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They are both; net force and acceleration are calculated (derived) and 9.81 is the constant value of the gravity force and 2.205 is the constant value of pounds to kilograms.
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So...Cratos gonna ignore the question how he got those horse weights....hhhmmm....that begs a BIGGER question then...

How do the rest of the average handicapper's out there feel about NYRA giving a select few access to something that obviously helps those who gets said info...whether paid for or not...????

I would pay for it if I could get it in advance...but haven't seen that available...yet Cratos is saying his group got that info...
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You can set up a reusable matrix in an Excel spreadsheet and calculate each horse’s race weight quickly in each race with the following formula:

(Net Force/Acceleration) * gravity (9.81) *2.205-the Assigned Weight = Horse Body Weight during the race

Example:

Justify’s Ky Derby Body Weight

= (1.712049/.02682) *9.81*2.205 = (1,381.8 -126) = 1,255.8 Lbs

The horse’s race body weight will always be less than the before racing scaled body weight because the horse will always lose weight during the race due to the resistance forces it confronted during race. This race weight loss is because of energy expenditure which is velocity and distance dependent.
Who cares how fast the horse ran?
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Hope the DRF does'nt increase the fee for that valuable information
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