View Poll Results: Mega Barn "Super" Trainers are............... (You can choose more than one answer)
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Good for the game
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Bad for the game
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62.31% |
Have "Super Vets" and "Super" vet bills
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47 |
36.15% |
Just work harder than everyone else
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8.46% |
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06-20-2018, 08:31 AM
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#1
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Registered User
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Controversial Thread Alert! Super Trainers. Good for the game? Bad for the game?
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...FPFq7Q.twitter
Excerpt:
He (Chad Brown) apologizes for nothing.
“I am doing a service to the industry by taking certain clients that I have had and doubling and tripling or even quadrupling the amount of horses they own since they first hired me,” he said. “That’s because they have had success with us. These are people who, if they were in another barn and weren’t doing as well, might not be in the game any longer. Be careful throwing too many arrows at the larger, successful stables that are cultivating owners, increasing the amount of dollars spent and the overall commerce in the sport. That trickles down to the breeders, the racetrack owners and others.”
To be a super trainer, you must be like Brown, focused solely on your career and willing to forego any sort of normal life.
“There’s a price for this,” said Mark Casse, who trains about 125 horses. “We don’t have days off. Not even Christmas. It’s an all-day deal, an all-night deal. Myself, I thrive on that. I get bored easily.”
“I work really hard at this,” Baffert said. “I don’t take vacations and I don’t go anywhere. It’s a lot of hard work and effort and that’s why I’m rewarded with a lot of good horses.”
For the whole article click the link.
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...FPFq7Q.twitter
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06-20-2018, 08:38 AM
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#2
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I'm on the record saying that IMO Baffert is the Lance Armstrong of Horse Racing. I base that on the sudden deaths where 7 horses died of heart related issues and were all being given Thyr-L for no apparent reason. Then you add the other worldly success in the worlds biggest races. If the starting offensive line for the super bowl champs all died of the same thing in an 18 month period I'm pretty sure the FBI would investigate.
That's my belief. What's yours?
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06-20-2018, 09:30 AM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,624
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"A racetrack veterinarian contacted by the Paulick Report said the practice of routinely administering Thyro-L was not unusual."
Nor was it, I might add, illegal.
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/r...ng-wrong-here/
Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 06-20-2018 at 09:58 AM.
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06-20-2018, 10:05 AM
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#4
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,828
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
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It isn't illegal but it should be. Giving any drugs looking for a performance edge and not treating a condition is a sad reality of the sport.
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06-20-2018, 10:08 AM
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Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,222
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
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That's BS. It's highly unusual. He should've done more research. Everyone in the industry knows what was going on here, and which outfits suddenly started giving their horses Thyro-L and why.
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06-20-2018, 10:10 AM
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Veteran
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Asaro
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...FPFq7Q.twitter
Excerpt:
He (Chad Brown) apologizes for nothing.
“I am doing a service to the industry by taking certain clients that I have had and doubling and tripling or even quadrupling the amount of horses they own since they first hired me,” he said. “That’s because they have had success with us. These are people who, if they were in another barn and weren’t doing as well, might not be in the game any longer. Be careful throwing too many arrows at the larger, successful stables that are cultivating owners, increasing the amount of dollars spent and the overall commerce in the sport. That trickles down to the breeders, the racetrack owners and others.”
To be a super trainer, you must be like Brown, focused solely on your career and willing to forego any sort of normal life.
“There’s a price for this,” said Mark Casse, who trains about 125 horses. “We don’t have days off. Not even Christmas. It’s an all-day deal, an all-night deal. Myself, I thrive on that. I get bored easily.”
“I work really hard at this,” Baffert said. “I don’t take vacations and I don’t go anywhere. It’s a lot of hard work and effort and that’s why I’m rewarded with a lot of good horses.”
For the whole article click the link.
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...FPFq7Q.twitter
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Poor babies. Only these guys work hard. None of the other trainers work nearly as hard as they do. <huge eyeroll>
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06-20-2018, 11:38 AM
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#7
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
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Do you buy the explanation for the sudden deaths? Remember during the investigation the CHRB Commissioner and B.B.'s friend sat in his box on a regular basis. No other Trainer anywhere would have been allowed to train during that investigation. It was swept under the rug and covered up IMO because B.B. was too big to fail.
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06-20-2018, 11:40 AM
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#8
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Registered User
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fager Fan
Poor babies. Only these guys work hard. None of the other trainers work nearly as hard as they do. <huge eyeroll>
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I got the same feeling as you. They make me puke.
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06-20-2018, 12:23 PM
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#9
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Veteran
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Asaro
I got the same feeling as you. They make me puke.
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It's a tough life. They work 24/7/365 for the most part. But to talk as if it's only the "super trainers" who work that schedule is insulting to every non-super-trainer out there. Yes, maybe that one guy with 15 horses doesn't have as long of hours, but he's a very small, almost "part-time" trainer. The normal trainers ALL work those long hours. If anything, it may even be easier for the "super trainers" because they can and do afford to hire great assistants who do a lot of the work.
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06-20-2018, 12:29 PM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,624
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fager Fan
That's BS. It's highly unusual. He should've done more research. Everyone in the industry knows what was going on here, and which outfits suddenly started giving their horses Thyro-L and why.
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If it's highly unusual, why did the vet that Paulick Report reached out to say it wasn't unusual?
Who should I believe? A vet reported by Ray Paulick or "Fager Fan"?
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06-20-2018, 12:30 PM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
It isn't illegal but it should be. Giving any drugs looking for a performance edge and not treating a condition is a sad reality of the sport.
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Agree completely. Just wanted to point out some facts to those who might be unaware.
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06-20-2018, 12:31 PM
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#12
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,624
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Asaro
Do you buy the explanation for the sudden deaths? Remember during the investigation the CHRB Commissioner and B.B.'s friend sat in his box on a regular basis. No other Trainer anywhere would have been allowed to train during that investigation. It was swept under the rug and covered up IMO because B.B. was too big to fail.
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The explanation is BB ****ed up.
So he stopped using the drug, since, I guess, they came to the conclusion that was the cause?
But if it isn't unusual to use it, as the article states, then a lot more horses should be dropping dead...and they aren't.
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06-20-2018, 12:32 PM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,624
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fager Fan
It's a tough life. They work 24/7/365 for the most part. But to talk as if it's only the "super trainers" who work that schedule is insulting to every non-super-trainer out there. Yes, maybe that one guy with 15 horses doesn't have as long of hours, but he's a very small, almost "part-time" trainer. The normal trainers ALL work those long hours. If anything, it may even be easier for the "super trainers" because they can and do afford to hire great assistants who do a lot of the work.
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Who cares how long anyone works?
The only thing that matters is winning.
You don't win, you starve.
By any means possible is their mantra.
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06-20-2018, 12:33 PM
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#14
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 17
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"He said 'trickle-down'. Good enough for me!"--ghost of Ronald Reagan
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06-20-2018, 12:49 PM
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#15
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Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 621
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"Throwing arrows..."
I think the drug usage by the super trainers is rampant and since they've become too-big-to-fail it will only get worse.
Smaller outfits have little chance to compete with these guys.
Something ought to be done, but, who's going to do it?
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