Terror Attacks in Paris

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by reckless

I don't know who ISIS sells oil to, and even if I did you are still ignoring the real problem -- Islamic terrorism.

Obama is still not using the two words consecutively, even after the acts of barbarism in Paris. Again, he does not understand the true nature of evil.

He reminds me of the NY Times, which religiously avoids using the term "illegal immigrant." Instead, the paper uses the construct "an immigrant who entered the country illegally." About a month ago, an article did contain the term "illegal immigrant," but I'm certain it merely slipped by the editor and the writer was most likely chastised after the fact.

Will Obama backtrack on accepting Syrian refugees? Doubtful. He's a disgrace.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike

Obama is still not using the two words consecutively, even after the acts of barbarism in Paris. Again, he does not understand the true nature of evil.

Obama and his minions appear to be the last people in the world that refer to ISIS as ISIL. That is called being in denial.

And apparently the Dems in last night's debate went to great lengths to avoid the term Islamic terrorism.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by Clocker

And apparently the Dems in last night's debate went to great lengths to avoid the term Islamic terrorism.

In my opinion, about a third of the Dem base is borderline radical - think Sanders. The rest are perfectly comfortable with the term "Islamic terrorism." We will see if Hillary changes her tune in the general.

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike

Will Obama backtrack on accepting Syrian refugees? Doubtful. He's a disgrace.

I don't think you appreciate how difficult the process is for the few refugees that are allowed into the US. The vetting process is exhaustive and thorough, nothing like the EU.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/kyleblaine/h...s-o#.iwDEKZO4q

[cbp]

What I find amazing is that France is in a state of emergency. 8 mofos, with homemade bombs and machine guns can put a country in a state of emergency? 8 mofos constitutes a war?

Sending 50 special forces operatives to Syria would then be over kill?

[ebcorde]

Originally Posted by cbp

What I find amazing is that France is in a state of emergency. 8 mofos, with homemade bombs and machine guns can put a country in a state of emergency? 8 mofos constitutes a war?

ha ha 300 murders in Baltimore, 1,000 in Chicago, where's our state of emergency. i'd love to see 10,000 national guardmen in B-more patrolling for 10 years.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

I don't think you appreciate how difficult the process is for the few refugees that are allowed into the US. The vetting process is exhaustive and thorough, nothing like the EU.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/kyleblaine/h...s-o#.iwDEKZO4q

I read up on this matter last night, but I still appreciate your effort with the link.

Here's the bottom line: you never know what is truly in someone's heart. It's impossible. If 2,000 Syrian refugees enter this country, my bet is a very small percentage with radicalized ideology will slip through the vetting process. Why risk it? If any Syrian granted refugee status commits an act of terrorism in this country, Obama should be impeached. I have never suggested impeaching Obama in past, but his first duty is the national security of the United States, not continuing his failed multicultural embrace of all things outside America.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by ebcorde

ha ha 300 murders in Baltimore, 1,000 in Chicago, where's our state of emergency. i'd love to see 10,000 national guardmen in B-more patrolling for 10 years.

Are these cities run by Democrats or Republicans?

[Marshall Bennett]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

the world should all step aside and instead of tying the hands of the Israel's, just give them the green light to take care of business. and i promise they will get the job done.

Israel's intentions were just that in 1967 when they had the Arab world on it's heals. Egypt was the power house and Israel had them soundly defeated. Their entire air force was destroyed on the ground. It was our country that almost demanded a peace treaty and threw on the brakes. The opportunity vanished shortly there-after. Again in 1973 war broke out briefly. By then there were more of the enemy, more countries, and Russian built fighter jets and artillery available at the asking. It's even more complex and diverse now. Short of dropping nukes, it's really out of the question.
I lied about not posting on this again. Couldn't resist. Sue me.

[ebcorde]

Originally Posted by Rookies

You're about to. If Mike permits me, I am quoting from an extensive article in the National Post today about intelligence differences. In addition, I suspect that it is also linked to the traditional French air of superiority over its minority Muslim, citizen population.

"Recall, for instance, what became obvious within less than 24 hours of the recent destruction of the Russian airline over the Sinai: British intelligence services clearly had some advance knowledge of an ISIL plot to commit such a terrorist act. The comments by David Cameron, the swift suspension of regular flights and evacuation of British nationals — the U.K. wasn’t waiting for the air crash investigation to conclude before acting.


I’m currently in London, and recently met with an old colleague, now a high-level official in the heart of Britain’s intelligence organizations. He told me shortly before the Paris attack, “The general idea of how much danger we are in is well-placed, and, in fact, our fears are usually under-estimated. More than 90 per cent of our time and resources are now devoted to Islamist threats, with the Irish desk — once so busy — largely neglected. But what I can also say, and what may surprise people, is the sheer expertise of British intelligence and the extent and network of agents and analysts is superlative. Much as we might resent the Americans, their standards are equally impressive, if part of a different approach. But while we receive help from both Israel and Jordan, which is crucial of course, the Europeans are politically and professionally in a far lower league, and that’s very worrying indeed.”

The reasons for Europe’s intelligence and internal security struggles are many. In countries such as Sweden and Norway there is a refusal to even admit there is a problem, but in France the challenges are more cultural. “The French have always regarded their North African Muslim immigrants as part of ‘the other,’ while Britain’s approach to immigration has a radically different foundation. It’s why so few of the enormous Irish diaspora in England actively supported the IRA. While there are genuine problems in some working-class Muslim areas and support for and even participation in terrorism exists, there is a large and growing support for what is seen as a tolerant and protective state. The balance is delicate but vital.”

That was before Paris. After the attack, we spoke again, "The French closed their borders after the attack. but the borders should have been tightened hours earlier. The enemy in this case is indifferent to capture and in a way welcomes it. Prevention is the issue. Terrorism may appear indiscriminate, but in a way, that’s the last thing it is. Locations, soft spots, streets and places — this all involves local knowledge, even if not local people. It’s difficult to believe that none of this was picked up by agents or electronically...

This shouldn’t be confused with secularism; some of what I was told proved that the leading opponents of radicalism were often deeply religious Muslims. But the Muslim community in Britain is working with their country’s security agencies closely, and that’s simply not as true on the continent. Without being specific, it is quite clear that the various regional languages and local dialects used by potential terrorists in Britain simply could not be followed and translated by even the most skilled non-Muslim linguist. The obvious conclusion is that British Muslims from the same towns, even villages, are working for the government. Various arrests that have taken place in the past two years have shown the most incisive intelligence work and also demonstrated an early intervention that cannot be accidental. There is also a high number of Muslim police officers in the U.K., some of them in senior positions (though, it must be admitted, relatively few in the armed forces)."

good read. hope they're not over-confident. As for France closing the borders. I bet I could slip in/out.


France-Geneva right on the French border, as simple as walking 2 blocks on a city street, you've crossed into France or vice versa. They would have to roadblock the national highway via the alps.


France-Monaco same thing, and a short motorboat ride too. There's 2 train stops from Monaco to France , a few more to Nice. Half of Monaco's workers living in France commuting , same with Geneva. I think France exaggerates.


Based on your read Britain is more inclusive, France not so much

[Saratoga_Mike]

Securing the borders will only solve part of the problem...

"16% of French Citizens Support ISIS, Poll Finds"*

http://www.newsweek.com/16-french-ci...l-finds-266795

Support for ISIS is 27% among those aged 18 to 24 in France.

*poll from 2014

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by Marshall Bennett

Israel's intentions were just that in 1967 when they had the Arab world on it's heals. Egypt was the power house and Israel had them soundly defeated. Their entire air force was destroyed on the ground. It was our country that almost demanded a peace treaty and threw on the brakes. The opportunity vanished shortly there-after. Again in 1973 war broke out briefly. By then there were more of the enemy, more countries, and Russian built fighter jets and artillery available at the asking. It's even more complex and diverse now. Short of dropping nukes, it's really out of the question.
I lied about not posting on this again. Couldn't resist. Sue me.

there is no opportunity gone, Israel has kept up with the times. they can blow up the whole region within 15 minutes if they had to, and there is no one that can stop them, now or never.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike

Are these cities run by Democrats or Republicans?

Can you prove that the stats would be any different if they were run by Republicans?

[horses4courses]

Everyone in the western world wants to defeat these animals.
One of the most important battles against them will be fought
with computers. Until their funding sources are identified and
curbed, they are going to remain a formidable opponent.

Killing ISIS on the front lines is only part of the task.
Has to be done, but it's not going to wipe them out.

[chrisl]

Captain Fantastic Dan states: I don't think you appreciate how difficult the process is for the few refugees that are allowed into the US. The vetting process is exhaustive and thorough, nothing like the EU...... And I am very sure Dan, you will be housing a few of these harmless refugees. C'mon Dan, be a sport.