This doesn't sound good (for Servis and Navarro)

[GMB@BP]

27 trainers.....lets wait till "lets make a deal" starts, might find out much much more about drugging.

[groupie doll]

Was it 27 barns (trainers) or 27 individuals?

[Robert Fischer]

i don't like any of this shit

i don't like doping horses

i don't like inconsistent standard accepted practices

i don't like details of phone conversations leaked out in media

i don't like 'deals' involving co-defendants

[Robert Fischer]

Beware if you are playing 'move-ups' in the future...

this could have a lot of those horses not 'jumping up' for a while, and some horses with established form may not be able get as much distance at a hot pace.

If you have some strong secondary contenders, they may pay OK in a key, if the supertrainer's horses don't fire their typical effort.

[cj]

Originally Posted by groupie doll

Was it 27 barns (trainers) or 27 individuals?

Not 27 barns, includes vets, suppliers, etc.

[pandy]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

Beware if you are playing 'move-ups' in the future...

this could have a lot of those horses not 'jumping up' for a while, and some horses with established form may not be able get as much distance at a hot pace.

If you have some strong secondary contenders, they may pay OK in a key, if the supertrainer's horses don't fire their typical effort.

Gary Contessa may want to rethink his decision to get out of training. I agree that at least in the short term, several of the high percentage trainers that are still left could possibly go into a slump. I remember when Oscar Barrera finally got a drug positive, he went into a slump where I believe he lost 101 races in a row. Anyone who is doing something they shouldn't is most likely going to put that on hold.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

i don't like any of this shit

i don't like doping horses

i don't like inconsistent standard accepted practices

i don't like details of phone conversations leaked out in media

i don't like 'deals' involving co-defendants

If you don't like illegal conduct, prosecutors are a necessary evil. Of course they can abuse their power, and of course dealmaking isn't pretty, but at the end of the day horse racing absolutely needs an influx of federal prosecutors at this point. It's the one thing that could have a real deterrent effect.

[trifecta]

Originally Posted by pandy

Gary Contessa may want to rethink his decision to get out of training. I agree that at least in the short term, several of the high percentage trainers that are still left could possibly go into a slump. I remember when Oscar Barrera finally got a drug positive, he went into a slump where I believe he lost 101 races in a row. Anyone who is doing something they shouldn't is most likely going to put that on hold.

I'm curious to see how Saffie Joseph and Robertino Diodoro do in the immediate future.

[Irishfever]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr...56661/download

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr...56646/download
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr...56656/download

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by pandy

Gary Contessa may want to rethink his decision to get out of training. I agree that at least in the short term, several of the high percentage trainers that are still left could possibly go into a slump. I remember when Oscar Barrera finally got a drug positive, he went into a slump where I believe he lost 101 races in a row. Anyone who is doing something they shouldn't is most likely going to put that on hold.

What little I know of Contessa, he seems like a class act.

We saw some this sporadically last fall, but this should be more significant (still processing this info, tbh).

Originally Posted by cj

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Anybody with an ounce of common sense knows PEDs have been being used liberally by some for a while now. I don't think it is any coincidence horses run best fresh these days and take more time between races.

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Yea.
I dislike racing's lack of good common accepted standards. It's like we foster anarchy out there. We break our necks, looking the other way. Then one day, we come down with a rule of law. Same thing with 'herding', same thing with other issues...

[groupie doll]

Originally Posted by cj

Not 27 barns, includes vets, suppliers, etc.

Thanks that's what I thought, and that was backed up in the indictment that I just read.
It doesn't make this situation better (that it's only 27 individuals), of course, but I'd rather not assume and jump to conclusions.

[castaway01]

Originally Posted by groupie doll

Thanks that's what I thought, and that was backed up in the indictment that I just read.
It doesn't make this situation better (that it's only 27 individuals), of course, but I'd rather not assume and jump to conclusions.

If you read the articles and the indictment and the amount of detailed evidence that appears to be gathered (a lot), 27 is a very good start. They have the trainer of a horse that just won a $20 million race. That HAS to deter people to not follow in his footsteps...doesn't it?

Edit: I wasn't being sarcastic, but I realized after I wrote this that some might find the $20 million worth the risk. But my point was that if they can get heavy hitters in the game, hopefully the smaller owners/trainers tempted to cheat would see that and steer clear. I don't know, probably too naïve.

[groupie doll]

Originally Posted by castaway01

If you read the articles and the indictment and the amount of detailed evidence that appears to be gathered (a lot), 27 is a very good start. They have the trainer of a horse that just won a $20 million race. That HAS to deter people to not follow in his footsteps...doesn't it?

one would hope.
More likely it will have the effect of me finding a new hobby...

[cj]

How disturbing is it that Servis and Navarro seem chummy and shared info?

[Irishfever]

Originally Posted by cj

How disturbing is it that Servis and Navarro seem chummy and shared info?

Kinda common within the clique of juicers.