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03-11-2018, 01:56 PM
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Lost with the Inner:
Two-turn races.
Yesterday at AQ besides the Tom Fool there were 3 stakes races, all run as one-turn miles: The Heavenly Prize, The Stymie, and The Gotham. Last year on the inner these races were contested around two turns at either a mile & a sixteenth, or a mile and an eighth.
Too bad. Two-turn races are just innately more interesting and visually appealing. The one-turn miles by contrast seem to be more of a drag-strip. Oh well...Progress, I guess.
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03-11-2018, 03:27 PM
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Big A distances
A mile is about as far as horses (or trainers?) Seem to want to go these days.
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Aqueduct races are still run at 9 furlongs - if they wanted to the trackcould have scheduled at least one of those races yeerday for that distance.
That said, I've felt for years that they should add a second finish line at the 1/16 pole (like Keeneland, and another track I don't like to mention) to enable the running of 1-1/16-mile races.
(This could be worked into a better 3-yo early season series for the TC preps.)
This would require some imagination from the people running NYRA.
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03-11-2018, 07:11 PM
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I greatly prefer two turn route races vs one turn routes, as well. A two-turn race is more interesting, requires more stamina, athleticism, and jockey strategy and skill is more pronounced.
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03-17-2018, 09:12 PM
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THEY SEND IN THE MAN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Denny
A mile is about as far as horses (or trainers?) Seem to want to go these days.
BUT
Aqueduct races are still run at 9 furlongs - if they wanted to the trackcould have scheduled at least one of those races yeerday for that distance.
That said, I've felt for years that they should add a second finish line at the 1/16 pole (like Keeneland, and another track I don't like to mention) to enable the running of 1-1/16-mile races.
(This could be worked into a better 3-yo early season series for the TC preps.)
This would require some imagination from the people running NYRA.
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I don't see the problem with running 1 1/16 mile races now in a 1 1/8 mile track. Gulfstream does it and so far so good for them
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03-18-2018, 12:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redbullsnation
I don't see the problem with running 1 1/16 mile races now in a 1 1/8 mile track. Gulfstream does it and so far so good for them
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The deciding factor is where the finish is placed.
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03-18-2018, 12:42 PM
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The problem with running 1 1/16 mile races there is they would finish in front of the casino far away from any spectators.
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03-18-2018, 12:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
The problem with running 1 1/16 mile races there is they would finish in front of the casino far away from any spectators.
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Tinkering with the finish line also tends to produce races that are very tilted to speed horses. There is generally a much too short run to the first turn like Laurel has, or the stretch is shortened by a sixteenth of a mile. Post position and running style often dictate results.
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03-18-2018, 01:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Tinkering with the finish line also tends to produce races that are very tilted to speed horses. There is generally a much too short run to the first turn like Laurel has, or the stretch is shortened by a sixteenth of a mile. Post position and running style often dictate results.
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Also the riders hate it. When HOL had 2 finish lines, riders misjudged all the time.
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03-25-2018, 12:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Denny
A mile is about as far as horses (or trainers?) Seem to want to go these days.
BUT
Aqueduct races are still run at 9 furlongs - if they wanted to the trackcould have scheduled at least one of those races yeerday for that distance.
That said, I've felt for years that they should add a second finish line at the 1/16 pole (like Keeneland, and another track I don't like to mention) to enable the running of 1-1/16-mile races.
(This could be worked into a better 3-yo early season series for the TC preps.)
This would require some imagination from the people running NYRA.
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You mean imagination as in running 7 1/2-furlong turf races?
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04-07-2018, 02:49 PM
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The shortening of races continues...
looking at the card for "Wood Day", the Excelsior was run last year at the classic distance of 10 furlongs--this year it's 9 furlongs. At least they're still running it around two turns, but still disappointed at the shrinkage of races run at the classic distance.
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04-07-2018, 03:02 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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They have hardly run any 9 furlong races this winter.
I seriously doubt many horse at the Big A could make it around.
At least Laurel is picking up the slack with some shippers today.
Hardly any 7 furlong races either. Even the Carter is a shell of it's former self - an interesting betting race today, but hardly a memorable one, or even an important one. Grade 3 or 4 at best.
Has Dubai made the Carter obsolete?
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