Global Warming, Make That Climate Change Yeah

[jimmyb]

Originally Posted by TJDave

How have you led by example?

I won't be doing the 'do as I say, not as I do' bullshit. Look up the word hypocrite and you'll not only get the meaning of the word but also pictures of Kerry, Gore, Schwarzenegger, Thunberg, and DiCaprio.

[davew]

Greta does not seem to know her stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUIWVZAuE6M

[46zilzal]

FOOLS

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

FOOLS

"Fools"? Why: For exposing Greta for the brainwashed, empty barrel, airhead she is?

[jimmyb]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

FOOLS

What can you expect from a special needs school dropout.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by jimmyb

What can you expect from a special needs school dropout.

Maybe offer to give Caitlyn Marie Jenner a pedicure.

[46zilzal]

Overall temperatures rise every year.

According to NOAA's 2020 Annual Climate Report the combined land and ocean temperature has increased at an average rate of 0.13 degrees Fahrenheit ( 0.08 degrees Celsius) per decade since 1880; however, the average rate of increase since 1981 (0.18°C / 0.32°F) has been more than twice that rate.

[Tom]

That being the case, how do you justify our allowing China to ignore all the rules being imposed on us? Is Biden just a yellow-belly coward to not demand they toe the line or suffer serious sanctions?

[xtb]

Originally Posted by Tom

That being the case, how do you justify our allowing China to ignore all the rules being imposed on us? Is Biden just a yellow-belly coward to not demand they toe the line or suffer serious sanctions?

Come on man, China is a “developing country” dontcha know.

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by Tom

That being the case, how do you justify our allowing China to ignore all the rules being imposed on us? Is Biden just a yellow-belly coward to not demand they toe the line or suffer serious sanctions?

So what their effect will be upon us all anyway, rules or not

[46zilzal]

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...d-temperature-

Nordic countries have registered near-record temperatures over the weekend, including highs of 34C (93.2F) in some places.

The latest figures came after Finland’s national meteorological institute registered its hottest temperature for June since records began in 1844.

Kevo, in Lapland, recorded heat of 33.6C (92.5F) on Sunday, the hottest day since 1914 when authorities registered 34.7C (94.5F), said the STT news agency. Several parts of Sweden also reported record highs for June.

Michael Reeder, a professor of meteorology in the school of Earth, atmosphere and environment at Australia’s Monash University, said the events on the European and North American continents were linked.

The high temperatures follow the record-breaking heatwave and wildfires that have caused devastation in parts of North America.

In the southern hemisphere, June was also the hottest on record in New Zealand, where it is a winter month. On Thursday, the United Nations confirmed a new record high temperature for the Antarctic continent – measured last year – of 18.3C (64.9F).

[Tom]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

So what their effect will be upon us all anyway, rules or not

Let me 'splain it to you........IF YOU BELIEVE the crap you post, THEY are causing it!

Tell me the science that says WE should carry the burden, while they get away with not suffering the rules, much like the fraud Kerry.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...d-temperature-

Nordic countries have registered near-record temperatures over the weekend, including highs of 34C (93.2F) in some places.

The latest figures came after Finland’s national meteorological institute registered its hottest temperature for June since records began in 1844.

Kevo, in Lapland, recorded heat of 33.6C (92.5F) on Sunday, the hottest day since 1914 when authorities registered 34.7C (94.5F), said the STT news agency. Several parts of Sweden also reported record highs for June.

Michael Reeder, a professor of meteorology in the school of Earth, atmosphere and environment at Australia’s Monash University, said the events on the European and North American continents were linked.

The high temperatures follow the record-breaking heatwave and wildfires that have caused devastation in parts of North America.

In the southern hemisphere, June was also the hottest on record in New Zealand, where it is a winter month. On Thursday, the United Nations confirmed a new record high temperature for the Antarctic continent – measured last year – of 18.3C (64.9F).

You're equivocating! Weather isn't climate, nor is climate weather.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by Tom

Mrs. Potato Head could debate her if the hadn't mashed her.

AOC - dumbest POS ever born.

Anyone else noticed AOC has taken considerable air time away from crazy Maxine? She has a long career ahead of her taking the torch from Maxine for loud mouth minority female who spews nonsense. She has along way to go to catch Maxine but she appears to be making a strong effort.

[Jeff P]

A meteorologist questions politicization of the recent heatwave in the Pacific Northwest --

https://redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2021/...t-wave-n407111

One of those Oregonians who is publicly questioning the green machinations of Oregon Democrats is the inimitable meteorologist, Chuck Wiese. He exposes their chicanery in the below email explaining the heat wave and heat domes in scientific terms, and then challenges their legislative prescriptions with a series of insightful questions. He has consented to passing it to a wider audience in order to help cut through the fog being manufactured constantly by the climate alarmists.

Here is what he said:

"With the continued and terrible politicization of atmospheric science and climate, I thought I would take a look at the true cause of this historic Pacific Northwest heat wave we just experienced that is now being terminated west of the cascades by a strong push of marine air from off the ocean.

For starters, the synoptic weather pattern that set itself up over our region was handled quite well by the short-term numerical weather forecast models. Before the onset, we saw nearly identical pressure patterns forecast to generate as we typically see with our severest high temperatures. In the climate records, those for Portland were found to occur on July 30, 1965, and both August 8th and August 10th of 1981 at 107 degrees Fahrenheit (degF). These records occurred at the Portland National Weather Service Office located then at the Marine Drive location at the Portland International Airport. The complete records in Portland go back to 1940 for the airport location and downtown Portland back to 1890, but these records at the airport exceeded or equaled any of the records in the downtown location. So they were considered all-time records back to 1890.

At the peak of this heat wave in Portland which was on June 28, the maximum temperature reached 116 degF, a new all-time high temperature record going back to 1890. Several other all-time records were established as well in Oregon and Washington. This is astonishing if you are caught off guard into believing the old records could not be broken by an obscure factor most meteorologists don’t think about on a day-to-day basis. It’s summer, and so pressure patterns that generate the heat were thought of as a comparative to old records with identical synoptic set-ups. This is at least how I looked at things initially along with others who saw the “suspiciously high temperature forecasts” given by the numerical model prediction output that actually forecasted the extreme temperatures accurately. These only became believable as the model output became repetitious in several runs as we got within 2 days of the expected extreme temperatures. This is common practice in operational meteorology to become suspicious of model output extremes especially since we have seen many occasions where extremes in temperature or precipitation given by models back off from those predictions and self-correct within a couple of days of an extreme event. But it turns out the numerical model output in this situation was correct several days in advance.

Why was this? What caused the extremes? Was it really “climate change” related to atmospheric CO2 as some are claiming, or was it something else? When I looked into the specifics, it turns out that “climate change” or atmospheric CO2 had nothing to do with this heat wave.

First off, I looked at the “greenhouse gases”. The water vapor optical depths of the 1981 heat wave and today’s extremes were nearly identical as taken off the atmospheric soundings from Salem, OR. Therefore, that wasn’t the reason. What about atmospheric CO2? In 1981, the Mauna Loa CO2 level was given as 341 ppmv (parts per million volume) whereas today it is 416 ppmv. In calculating the change in radiative forcing from CO2 as a stand-alone constituent, the difference from 1981 to now is only 1.07 Wm-2. (Watts per square meter). Next, I took the mean temperature of the daily temperature delta or deviation, which was about 90 degF, and plugged that into the derivative of the Stefan Boltzmann equation, dF/dT which gives 6.45 Wm-2K-1 or 6.45 Watts per square meter per degree Kelvin. Using this relationship, if CO2 acts alone as permitted in this special case, we get .963 Wm-2 with a ground emissivity of .9 divided by the rate of change of flux with respect to temperature or the 6.45 Wm-2K-1 number which gives .15 degrees Centigrade (degC) or a possible contribution of +.27 degF to the heating total. Therefore, CO2’s contribution to this heat wave is far too small to even move the thermometer upwards from the 107 degF old records to a measurable whole degree F. And this is not even measurable with many of the degree of accuracy specifications on many thermometers.

But if you examine the solar radiation dynamics, you get an entirely different picture that explains how we achieved the new records, and these numbers were obviously incorporated into the numerical weather model outputs several days in advance. It is important to recognize that when we compare the old records to the new, the atmospheric dynamics in 1965, 1981 and today were nearly identical, meaning the subsiding air that sets the convective temperature cap or potential temperature of the surface started the same. This dynamic is what the TV guys were calling the “upper air heat dome” to simplify the concept to the lay person. But the timing of these heat waves was different. In 1981, they occurred in the first week of August and at the end of July in 1965. Today, we are at the end of June or just past the summer solstice or highest sun angle of the year. It turns out this difference of dates is a big deal and actually explains the severity of this heat wave and new maximum temperature all-time records when combined with the upper air dynamics.

The solar radiation reaching the earth’s surface can be calculated anywhere from the relation:

sin(beta) = cos(L) ⋅ cos(delta) ⋅ cos(H) + sin(L) ⋅ sin(delta)"

-jp

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