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03-04-2017, 08:48 AM
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Autonomous vehicles
When you drive a car and come to an intersection such as a 4 way stop, you can often make eye contact with the other drivers and, through common courtesy, you can decide who should go first. It doesn't always work, but most of the time it does.
If you're driving a car and you meet up with an autonomous vehicle, can you trust that it will not pull out in front of you, or can you be more aggressive and always beat the self-driving car through the intersection?
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03-04-2017, 09:09 AM
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Just run into it and put another dent in the mad race to make driving even worse.
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03-04-2017, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith
Just run into it and put another dent in the mad race to make driving even worse.
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No. Let it hit you and then sue the manufacturer into submission. The old American way. I see this not ending well.
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03-04-2017, 09:22 AM
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No. Let it hit you and then sue the manufacturer into submission. The old American way. I see this not ending well.
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What happens if the self-driving car has to choose between hitting me or the pedestrian crossing the street?
What are the risks of different cars using different software packages?
Last edited by highnote; 03-04-2017 at 09:24 AM.
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03-04-2017, 09:30 AM
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Scares the crap out of me.
Showing my age here, but I can't ever see myself being a passenger in a car that's hauling ass down the boulevard, driven by nobody.
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03-04-2017, 09:52 AM
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There is a reason plane auto pilots are turned off on takeoffs and landings. The human eyes and minds are still better than a computer.
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03-04-2017, 09:55 AM
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There is a reason plane auto pilots are turned off on takeoffs and landings. The human eyes and minds are still better than a computer.
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I have heard or read that jumbo jets can land themselves. Is that true?
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03-04-2017, 11:28 AM
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How would you write software to handle this scenario:
Autonomous car "A" is driving on a two lane road with two passengers.
Autonomous car "B" is driving in the opposite direction with four passengers.
Three pedestrians are crossing the road and are in the middle of the lane of car "A".
Should car "A" continue toward the 3 pedestrians where it is almost certain to hit them and kill them, but car "A" will avoid a head-on collision of car "B with four passengers?
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Should car "A" avoid the 3 pedestrians and collide with car "B" and risk killing all four passengers in car "B" as well as both passengers in car "A"?
Last edited by highnote; 03-04-2017 at 11:33 AM.
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03-04-2017, 11:34 AM
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Tell me who is in the car and a little about each of the pedestrians and I'll tell what I'd want it to do.
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03-04-2017, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by highnote
I have heard or read that jumbo jets can land themselves. Is that true?
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Yes, but they (airline and manufacturer) don't allow it.
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03-04-2017, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith
Tell me who is in the car and a little about each of the pedestrians and I'll tell what I'd want it to do.
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You can come up with any scenario. Take a "god" view and assume they are all people of equal worth.
Let's look at it three ways. Imagine you are driving or walking somewhere near your home.
Let's say you and a family member are passengers in the two passenger car, other family members are driving toward you in the four passenger car, and your family members are crossing the road.
Put yourself in either vehicle or as a passenger.
This is a real world scenario that has to be decided by software.
What decision do you want the software to make assuming that car "A" cannot avoid a collision with either the other car or the pedestrian. One or more people will die. Who is it going to be?
Do you want software to make the decision?
Last edited by highnote; 03-04-2017 at 11:54 AM.
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03-04-2017, 12:13 PM
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Do you want software to make the decision?
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I'm the one who encouraged you to play Dukes of Hazzard with the thing and shove it off the mountain into a ravine.
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03-04-2017, 12:48 PM
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Will self-driving cars be allowed to take drunks home from bars?
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03-04-2017, 12:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by highnote
How would you write software to handle this scenario:
Autonomous car "A" is driving on a two lane road with two passengers.
Autonomous car "B" is driving in the opposite direction with four passengers.
Three pedestrians are crossing the road and are in the middle of the lane of car "A".
Should car "A" continue toward the 3 pedestrians where it is almost certain to hit them and kill them, but car "A" will avoid a head-on collision of car "B with four passengers?
or
Should car "A" avoid the 3 pedestrians and collide with car "B" and risk killing all four passengers in car "B" as well as both passengers in car "A"?
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Default... reaction hit ditch deploy airbags auto send all view video to facebook... dial autonomous wrecker to haul to recycle center.
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03-04-2017, 01:15 PM
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Default... reaction hit ditch deploy airbags auto send all view video to facebook... dial autonomous wrecker to haul to recycle center.
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There is no ditch to hit. There are jersey barriers on both sides of the road.
Only choice is to hit the pedestrians or hit the oncoming vehicle.
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