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Old 12-06-2017, 07:36 PM   #121
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Flynn may have been in a lot more trouble that we thought. Perhaps that's why he copped a plea. This doesn't tie Trump to the deal at all, but if true, it smells to high heaven for Flynn. It's a lot like an endless number of Clinton deals.

"WASHINGTON — Michael T. Flynn, President Trump’s former national security adviser, told a former business associate that economic sanctions against Russia would be “ripped up” as one of the Trump administration’s first acts, according to an account by a whistle-blower made public on Wednesday.

Mr. Flynn believed that ending the sanctions could allow a business project he had once participated in to move forward, according to the whistle-blower. The account is the strongest evidence to date that the Trump administration wanted to end the sanctions immediately, and suggests that Mr. Flynn had a possible economic incentive for the United States to forge a closer relationship with Russia."


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/u...tleblower.html

For the record, I've seen only one response to this article so far.

"Elijah Cummings unnamed source is whistleblowing on something he never saw that he heard second hand from another guy?" Bill Mitchell
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Old 12-06-2017, 07:58 PM   #122
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So what? None of that’s illegal. It’s babysit compared to the Clinton deals
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Old 12-10-2017, 03:14 PM   #123
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After 18 months, we have no evidence Trump colluded with Russia in hacking the emails of the DNC or John Podesta, which is what the FBI investigation was supposedly about.

There is no conclusive evidence Flynn committed a crime when, as national security adviser-designate, he tried to prevent Obama from sabotaging the policies Trump had run on — and won on.

Yet there is evidence Russian intelligence agents colluded with a British spy in the pay of the oppo research arm of the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign — to find dirt on Donald Trump.

And there is evidence James Comey’s FBI wanted to hire the British spy who appeared to have access to the Russian agents who appeared to possess all that wonderful dirt on the Donald.

It is hard to see how this ends well.
Good stuff from the Patrick J. Buchanan piece...
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:32 AM   #124
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Collusion may be just around the bend.
OoJ is now
THE PROBLEM for the worst president right now is Trump firing Comey which then led DIRECTLY to the appointment of Mueller to investigate obstruction of justice by the Donald. Mueller was appointed immediately (8 days) after Comey was fired and Trump asked Comey to go easy on Flynn


May 9, 2017 - Comey is fired
May 17, 2017 – Special counselor named

Comprehensive timeline for faulty PA Trumpweters memories

Timeline: How we got from Flynn's firing to a special prosecutor

http://abcnews.go.com/US/timeline-fl...ry?id=47460505
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckrak...law-in-january

Latest: Just days after the inauguration, White House Counsel Don McGahn learned—and warned President Donald Trump—that then-national security adviser Michael Flynn had probably violated federal laws, according to a new report out Wednesday.

....Foreign Policy reported that the Special Counsel has obtained “records” that reveal McGahn in late January researched the consequences of lying to the FBI and of violating the Logan Act, a centuries-old federal prohibition on private citizens negotiating with hostile foreign governments. The research, conducted with the help of two aides, prompted McGahn to conclude that Flynn had likely committed a crime by discussing sanctions with a top Russian official during the transition, two current administration officials told Foreign Policy. Most significantly, the records now in the possession of Special Counsel Robert Mueller indicate McGahn “warned Trump about Flynn’s possible violations” for holding those discussions and lying about them to the FBI, according to Foreign Policy.

Legal experts told TPM that such advance notification about Flynn’s potentially criminal acts would significantly bolster the case that the President was trying to obstruct justice

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Old 12-21-2017, 08:52 AM   #125
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Latest: Just days after the inauguration, White House Counsel Don McGahn learned—and warned President Donald Trump—that then-national security adviser Michael Flynn had probably violated federal laws, according to a new report out Wednesday.

....Foreign Policy reported that the Special Counsel has obtained “records” that reveal McGahn in late January researched the consequences of lying to the FBI and of violating the Logan Act, a centuries-old federal prohibition on private citizens negotiating with hostile foreign governments. The research, conducted with the help of two aides, prompted McGahn to conclude that Flynn had likely committed a crime by discussing sanctions with a top Russian official during the transition, two current administration officials told Foreign Policy. Most significantly, the records now in the possession of Special Counsel Robert Mueller indicate McGahn “warned Trump about Flynn’s possible violations” for holding those discussions and lying about them to the FBI, according to Foreign Policy.

Legal experts told TPM that such advance notification about Flynn’s potentially criminal acts would significantly bolster the case that the President was trying to obstruct justice
You can't get Trump on the supposed crime he's to be investigated over, so now you're hoping beyond hope that he can get into some kind of trouble for what was said or done responding to a crime he never committed and therefore shouldn't have been investigated to start with.

And you're desperate to say that somehow Trump being told of ramifications of Flynn lying to the FBI spells obstruction. How so? What and how did he obstruct what?
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Old 12-21-2017, 10:06 AM   #126
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Provide us a list of those convicted under the Logan act

It’s unconstitutional


That’s why nobody gets charged with it
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Old 12-21-2017, 11:12 AM   #127
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Provide us a list of those convicted under the Logan act

It’s unconstitutional


That’s why nobody gets charged with it
Obstruction of justice removed Nixon from office not the Logan act.
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Old 12-21-2017, 11:29 AM   #128
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You can't get Trump on the supposed crime he's to be investigated over, so now you're hoping beyond hope that he can get into some kind of trouble for what was said or done responding to a crime he never committed and therefore shouldn't have been investigated to start with.

And you're desperate to say that somehow Trump being told of ramifications of Flynn lying to the FBI spells obstruction. How so? What and how did he obstruct what?
You are full of shit. As usual.

https://lawfareblog.com/trumps-poten...ion-what-watch

More specifically, Rosenstein assigned Mueller to take over Comey’s investigation, which Comey described to Congress as encompassing “the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts.” Rosenstein’s order appointing Mueller specifically referenced “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump” and “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.” The order appointing Mueller also invokes 28 C.F.R. 600.4, which provides that “[t]he jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the special counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses.”
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The Drudge Advantage continues aas kissing. You Trumpeteers should have been there.......


Sickening
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Old 12-21-2017, 12:21 PM   #130
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Sickening
Well said.
They were kissing ass like I've never seen adults do before.
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Old 12-21-2017, 12:28 PM   #131
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You are full of shit. As usual.

https://lawfareblog.com/trumps-poten...ion-what-watch

More specifically, Rosenstein assigned Mueller to take over Comey’s investigation, which Comey described to Congress as encompassing “the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts.” Rosenstein’s order appointing Mueller specifically referenced “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump” and “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.” The order appointing Mueller also invokes 28 C.F.R. 600.4, which provides that “[t]he jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the special counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses.”
At least I don't use a creepy little girl's image as my avatar.

As for your posting, I'd say thanks if it had any relevance whatsoever to what I posted.
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Old 12-21-2017, 01:09 PM   #132
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At least I don't use a creepy little girl's image as my avatar.

As for your posting, I'd say thanks if it had any relevance whatsoever to what I posted.
The Peace Girl avatar is more relevant than any of your fact-free bullshit.

You have a hard on for Trump.
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Old 12-21-2017, 01:20 PM   #133
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You are full of shit. As usual.

https://lawfareblog.com/trumps-poten...ion-what-watch

More specifically, Rosenstein assigned Mueller to take over Comey’s investigation, which Comey described to Congress as encompassing “the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts.” Rosenstein’s order appointing Mueller specifically referenced “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump” and “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.” The order appointing Mueller also invokes 28 C.F.R. 600.4, which provides that “[t]he jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the special counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses.”
Even with Muleheards over reach he has no collusion... on obstruction. The chicken shit they are picking thru... is weak and can be shown as bias and political. And while all this chickin' shit pickin' has been going on and your types licking it's lips and panting... Trump has been doing REAL WORK to MAGA.
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Old 12-21-2017, 01:49 PM   #134
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The Drudge Advantage continues aas kissing. You Trumpeteers should have been there.......

https://youtu.be/tNujD-eSwv8?t=7

Sickening
Don Lemon and some other douchebags on CNN.

Yes. That IS sickening.
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The Peace Girl avatar is more relevant than any of your fact-free bullshit.

You have a hard on for Trump.
Angry much?

Do you honestly not get that one can't obstruct justice when no crime has been committed? Or not see the absurdity in it?

And again, exactly what did Trump do that makes a case of supposed obstruction by being told by his legal counsel what the consequences could be for one of his staff lying to the FBI? You have to explain that to me. I could know that one of my employees is, for example, cooking up meth at his house, and I know he could get in serious trouble for that, but how is my knowing this make me "obstructing justice"?
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