Computer Player Invests $29k in Pick 6 - Takes Jackpot

[mountainman]

Their programs and last second access boil down to blind-siding us with very sophisticated tote-corrections. In my opinion, the key is restricting your serious wagers to narrow situations in which your insights have an advantage over computers.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by mountainman

Their programs and last second access boil down to blind-siding us with very sophisticated tote-corrections. In my opinion, the key is restricting your serious wagers to narrow situations in which your insights have an advantage over computers.

Very hard to do.....and fewer and fewer opportunities every day.

Damn impossible for weekend players

[SG4]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Why go through all THAT trouble and expense when you can just use computer algorithms to come up with last second wagers that are based on maximizing your perceived value bets across all wager types that will basically guarantee a profit after rebates are factored into the equation?

Who would NOT want to basically be a "casino" in that situation?

Who the hell needs unreliable or expensive connections to "get a beat on every horse in every race" when something like that is absolutely unnecessary for them to achieve their goals?

So I've wondered about this, are you of the opinion that computer teams are betting all races strictly off algorithms with no human input? There has to be some degree of human input and analysis on races loaded with first-time starters, or other situations that I assume would make a computer analysis lack value, right? These are the spots where I wonder how these teams compute & succeed.

[mountainman]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Very hard to do.....and fewer and fewer opportunities every day.

Damn impossible for weekend players

Sad, but True.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by mountainman

Their programs and last second access boil down to blind-siding us with very sophisticated tote-corrections. In my opinion, the key is restricting your serious wagers to narrow situations in which your insights have an advantage over computers.

Like Lottery tickets?

At least you get better rides....

[SG4]

Del Mar's pick 6 pool seems excessively light today, only 174k with a carryover (a real carry, not a jackpot carry) of 53k, plus jackpot of 11k. I would've expected a carryover of that amount to bring in a new pool closer to 250k. I wonder if this is blow-back from low & mid-level players from what happened earlier in the week.

[SG4]

Does anyone know which ADW's offer spreadsheet batch bet uploads to their customers? I know Twinspires had it as an option until their full site re-do earlier this year which unfortunately scrapped that availability. Something like that made available to the entire customer base without really needing any investment or programming knowledge could really be valuable if players wanted to try & mimic these computer players to some degree.

[JerryBoyle]

Originally Posted by SG4

Does anyone know which ADW's offer spreadsheet batch bet uploads to their customers? I know Twinspires had it as an option until their full site re-do earlier this year which unfortunately scrapped that availability. Something like that made available to the entire customer base without really needing any investment or programming knowledge could really be valuable if players wanted to try & mimic these computer players to some degree.

AmWager does, and it's very fast. It's by far the fastest at processing bets as compared to any other ADW I've used.

[Ted Craven]

Agreed. Democratization of batch betting at the last minute for the little guy. Create a text file of (hundred of) wagers then upload it (e.g. from your spreadsheet or custom program). Or use their direct access API for ticket submission if you can program. Bigger syndicates probably don't use AmWager as much (better rebates elsewhere), but they're doing the same thing (API) - no more.

I place wagers this way within 20 seconds of post-time.

Ted

[davew]

I do not know how many betting interests there were on the day the bettor won, but a 545454 bet would be 8000 combinations.

[ultracapper]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Why is that every time I learn some something new about Oaklawn I like it even more than that I did before? The management there must be very good. Absent some disaster, Oaklawn has a shot to become the "go to" track for serious players.

Need turf

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by ultracapper

Need turf

Not me.

[metro]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Not me.

I agree, refreshing to still have a major track with races exclusively on dirt.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by metro

I agree, refreshing to still have a major track with races exclusively on dirt.

Aside from just being more experienced as a dirt player and not enjoying races with a lot of first time turf horses, one of the biggest problems I have with turf is track bias. If a track splits its card between dirt and turf you often don't have enough of a sample on either surface to figure out if there was a bias. If you can see 9-10 races on the same surface, you can usually figure out what was going on.

[cj]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Aside from just being more experienced as a dirt player and not enjoying races with a lot of first time turf horses, one of the biggest problems I have with turf is track bias. If a track splits its card between dirt and turf you often don't have enough of a sample on either surface to figure out if there was a bias. If you can see 9-10 races on the same surface, you can usually figure out what was going on.

Agree, spot on. Same goes for figure making. Throw in some places with multiple turf courses and figures get less and less reliable.