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Old 08-03-2018, 05:51 PM   #31
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I'm a strong believer in table talk which in this case was legal since even though there were 3 people the banter couldn't influence the $67.00 guy.
Technically, you aren't supposed to talk about your hand in a 3 way pot even if you have an all-in player. Causing a player to fold or call can vastly change the equity of the all-in player's hand.
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Technically, you aren't supposed to talk about your hand in a 3 way pot even if you have an all-in player. Causing a player to fold or call can vastly change the equity of the all-in player's hand.
I asked the dealer. He said that since the 3rd player could not do anything else it was ok to speak to my opponent.

Didn't seem correct to me.
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I asked the dealer. He said that since the 3rd player could not do anything else it was ok to speak to my opponent.

Didn't seem correct to me.


Hi Vic!!

Generally speaking when a player is all in and 2 other players remain talking isnít allowed because that player would be at a severe disadvantage, the talking could force a player to fold or call that would alter player whose all ins chances in the hand, going back into the poker room now gonna get a better explanation for you

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Old 08-08-2018, 02:12 PM   #34
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I asked the dealer. He said that since the 3rd player could not do anything else it was ok to speak to my opponent.

Didn't seem correct to me.
Dealers often don't know the rules. But definitely within your rights to follow the dealer's instructions.
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Old 08-13-2018, 01:16 AM   #35
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At least the Harpers Ferry cop didnít clip you $200 for speeding on the way out........my only ticket in 30 yrs......
we're lucky if my "gambler's car" could speed through there without the tires falling off.

since you were a former leo i do think he shoulda let you off and like to think he is suffering the bad karma from his decision.
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Old 08-14-2018, 12:34 AM   #36
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let's play some cards.....

was trying to boycott atlantic city for ALL of 2018 but got a few days off and my discipline simply broke down.

i take off late wednesday night and get a nice room in main bally's tower for three nights. thursday morning i'm up early and spend a nice day on the beach walking down to the ventnor pier. it's probably about a six mile round trip and the sand ends up beating up my heels pretty good and i'll spend the next three days and nights hobbling around casinos more than william h macy in the cooler.

there's no maria bello with me but maybe i'll get lucky anyhow and drag in a pot or two??

we open at bally's in the wild west poker room with some 2/6 limit action. i river four kings for a $175 high hand (net) but do little else in the game; dropping $100 and falling behind for the 2018 season.

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Old 08-14-2018, 01:58 PM   #37
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was trying to boycott atlantic city for ALL of 2018 but got a few days off and my discipline simply broke down.

i take off late wednesday night and get a nice room in main bally's tower for three nights. thursday morning i'm up early and spend a nice day on the beach walking down to the ventnor pier. it's probably about a six mile round trip and the sand ends up beating up my heels pretty good and i'll spend the next three days and nights hobbling around casinos more than william h macy in the cooler.

there's no maria bello with me but maybe i'll get lucky anyhow and drag in a pot or two??

we open at bally's in the wild west poker room with some 2/6 limit action. i river four kings for a $175 high hand (net) but do little else in the game; dropping $100 and falling behind for the 2018 season.

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What is the reason for the Atlantic City boycott? And only 2 playing sessions in 2018....WOW. Must be pretty hard, given the amount of times played last year.
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Old 08-14-2018, 06:25 PM   #38
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here's a hand from the most recent live game i played. feels like i misplayed this one.

you start w 10k. i kept accumulating a stack, but would get bad beat to knock me below chip average. kept on like that. build-bad beat-build again.

at 1k/2k/300a me and bb both have about 80k. there's 9 left. we're in the money and are co chip leaders. it folds to me on the button. holding ace 8 off i open to 5k. bb defends. 13,700 to the flop.

flop comes 4AJ all hearts of which i have none. bb leads 4k. feels like a blocking bet. probably has a worse pair and a flush draw. i can raise, but i'm only getting called by better or hands with a ton of equity. i call. 21,700 to the turn.

turn is my gin card. an offsuit 8.(4AJ8, three hearts). bb leads with another blocking bet of 7k. I call. 35,700 to the river.

river is 9 of hearts. (4AJ89, four hearts). bb checks. i check. he turns over 77 with the 7 of hearts to win.

i feel like the best line was to shove the turn. he maybe calls, gets there and i'm out, but it was the optimal play and i did it wrong. this game had glorious results for how cliche, but the process in this hand was flawed imo.
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Old 08-15-2018, 05:39 AM   #39
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lassoed in the wild west??

back in exciting atlantic city where i hobble down to the wsop room in the wild west section of the bally's casino to kickoff day number two of our trip.

we're again in 2/6 limit company where i strike quickly with our old buddy KK taking down the very first hand of the game!!

when the cowboys come around again however, they're lassoed by J2 off suit and suddenly we're back in a struggle.

eventually the game erodes into a bunch of short stacks taking long walks and i get up before the blinds take away my first garden state win of the season.

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Old 08-17-2018, 08:47 AM   #40
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i feel like the best line was to shove the turn. he maybe calls, gets there and i'm out, but it was the optimal play and i did it wrong. this game had glorious results for how cliche, but the process in this hand was flawed imo.
idk? i'm not a tournament man but it didn't seem like a good hand or position to go broke in? you read his blocking bets but he was still controlling the action with them. i probably would've just raised on the flop. congratulations on the win!!!
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Old 08-17-2018, 09:18 AM   #41
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boardwalk boogie??

ok poker fans we're back in atlantic city at bally's where the wild west has become a ghost town with abandoned "stacks" of ten to twenty white chips haunting the tables.

so we limp down the boardwalk to the tropicana where i jump on a slowly moving 2/6 list. when i reach the top of the list i tell the podium i'm on the top of the list but i'm running to the bathroom for 35 seconds. three tropicana staff members hear this but 35 seconds later i return to the room, another player is being seated, and my name is missing from the list!!

the tropicana manager apologizes and i accept their apology but it's just amazing the ridiculous stuff that happens to me on this tour..... and especially on this boardwalk where not that many trips ago a toilet backed up on me. maybe i should just never go to the bathroom in this town??

anyhow if i thought i waited a long time to get into a game, the wait to win a hand was much longer.... almost two hours until i break the ice with a set of buffaloes. overall though it's just another miserable game where i'm losing to absolute donkeys who are sneezing all over the cards and spilling drinks all over the table to boot. i'd probably have better luck at the adjacent boogie nights disco club where today's snookis and jwowws are shimmying to what sounds like deney terrio's 8-track collection. maybe next time?

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Old 08-31-2018, 02:24 AM   #42
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another blackjack bailout??

ok poker fans we are back in atlantic city for the final day of this ill advised poker getaway.

my feet, ego, and bankroll bruised; i opt to checkout of the hotel and head over to the borgata to see if a change of scenery will result in a change of luck?

earlier in the week sixers legend dr j kicked off ac sports betting at the borgata with a $5 bet on the eagles to repeat as super bowl champs. lines are long for this curiosity but i'm sure interest will quickly wane. in vegas you can usually just walk right up to the counter.

it's great that the borgata (unlike the boardwalk) was actually ready to quickly implement sports betting but it was sad to see that their low limit limit hold em has yielded to this ridiculous boardwalk culture of 2/4/6. i should go over to harrah's but it's been a long week and, hey, i'm here; so i order a coke and sit down.

54 in the big blind flops a flush, and a redraw to a straight flush with the 7 . with a $300 high hand i'm priced in when another heart falls on the turn. no luck on the river.

with two dimes in the pocket i three bet an ambitious AJ, flop a set, and hold off her gutterball.

that will be the last gutterball i hold off though and when QQ and JJ fall to gutshots in rapid succession, i decide to head back over to bally's for a general tso's at noodle village.

no beautiful girls in revealing costumes sit down to play but it's deja vu all over again at the blackjack tables on my way to the exit when i win and win and win and win..... just like on my halloween trip.

blackjack has saved me again in america's playground but it's no savior as i will soon be reminded on an even bigger stage.

thank you for reading!

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Old 08-31-2018, 10:07 AM   #43
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After the Timonium races, I'll be at the Horseshoe for sure on 08/31 and 09/01, and maybe 09/02. (Hope I don't have to buy more chips than I have already previously saved up!).

I may have already mentioned it in another thread, but last week at the Horseshoe I had the misfortune of running my flopped trip jacks into villain's flopped trip kings, so I have some ground to try to make up.
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I think my initial response and your response both contain errors. And, it would seem to be a bit complicated given that it is a 3-way pot with 1 player all-in.

I failed to consider that Vic and the villain have a side pot, and I agree that the villains chances are 37% in that one. And although minor, I also neglected the limpers/blinds who ended up folding.

Please note that before going any further, Vic starts the hand with $70 more than the villain.

The villain's all-in call of Vic was for 425 - 67 (calling the all-in of the first player) = 358.

Against Vic in the side pot, the villain is risking 358 to win Vic's 358. (The other 67 Vic put in went to the main pot where he has an approximate chance of winning 3-way of .379 and the villain's chance is .261).

So against Vic, he needs to win 50% of the time where his estimated chances are 37%. Not Good! (In hindsight), although I imagine only a tiny microscopic number of poker players would even be able to arrive at a close approximation of their required odds of calling while while trying to do in in real time and perhaps eventually having clock called.


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you forgot to add the main pot before his call

$10 preflop, $18 +$18 + $67 shove + $45 more call + shove ($45 more call) to main pot $211

vics all-in is his effective stack $358


villain is risking his last $358 to scoop $927 if he wins all and they were figuring a flush would do it. Their odds improve if they felt $67 all-in could have done that with an A(high card,3,4), as an AA would not limped would they?

villians' equity does not justify call, but it is not terribly far off. (and $69 of that main pot was his )


Poker is a lot like handicapping, no one is always right and everyone has their own way of 'figuring things out'.
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Old 09-05-2018, 01:50 AM   #45
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day 1: no reservations....

ok poker fans it's time once again for our annual VEGAS VACATION and united flight 461 from dulles is in the air.

usually i take a football magazine to read on the plane but these 2018 colts are just too depressing. is this group really favored over cincinnati?? sure pagano's gone and luck is back under center but how is this defense going to stop ANYONE?

instead i take a crossword magazine and my experience as a gambler both helps me and hurts me on the puzzles.

hurts: i immediately pencil in "steph" for a five letter word for "animal trainer beatty." (of course the "y" indicates that the answer is clyde)

helps: i never know who directs movies but "norma rae director martin" has to be "ritt" which i only know from wearing out jerry okuneff's handicapping expo 93 tape (turning professional(!!!)) on my hundreds of mid 90s trips to mid -atlantic tracks and otbs.

"how can you just sit there race after race and not bet?" mr okuneff asked director ritt..... who POUNDED the table and exclaimed "I REFUSE TO BE A FOOL!!"

it's a vacation but hopefully i'll be able to show at least some fraction of that discipline here in vegas...... but first i'll need a room.

"we don't have a reservation for any proximity," says a nice young woman when i finally reach the counter (the diamond lounge is closed for the night).

"but i come to bally's every year to go to the blu pool and write important poker posts on paceadvantage.com" i plead.

five minutes later she finds proximity and the gambling is underway!!

no poker tonight but i grind out $6 profit on the slots over at the mirage; the same place where jerry okuneff and our other handicapping heros gathered a quarter century ago and made those tapes that kept us company on so many lonely trips to and from our tracks.

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