Another interesting endorsement

[ljb]

Endorsements by individual politicians may not matter a whole lot in most cases -- I mean, look at all the good that Gore endorsement did for Dean. Most pols don't have a fervent personal following who will seriously change their minds about a race because of their leader's endorsement. In short, a pol's endorsement is often just another vote, not much different from yours or mine.

Jesse Ventura, on the other hand, isn't "most pols." He's a unique phenomenon, the anti-politician even after serving four years as Governor of Minnesota. Right or wrong, he brought a fiercely independent spirit to the political arena, and he attracted support from a constituency that often sits out electoral politics. Unlike Ahnold, he isn't a party hack, and he never compromised his independent voice. As a result, he still retains the allure, for some Minnesotans, of the last honest man in politics. For that reason, Ventura is one of the very few pols whose endorsement might really count for something -- he may bring a class of voter who otherwise would sit this one out to the polls.

And today he endorsed John Kerry.

[Secretariat]

LJB,

I put in another link that American Conservative magazine said they cannot support Bush.

[sq764]

Do you guys seriously think this is going to change the fact that Kerry is not going to get the electoral votes he needs?

Here's the answer..no :-)

[Secretariat]

Originally posted by sq764
Do you guys seriously think this is going to change the fact that Kerry is not going to get the electoral votes he needs?

Here's the answer..no :-)

For the sake of our country and as American Conservative magazine states, let's hope you are wrong.

[sq764]

Originally posted by Secretariat
For the sake of our country and as American Conservative magazine states, let's hope you are wrong.

I don't quite think you realize the disaster that would happen if Kerry ever got his hands on the controls..

I know, you're going to say the country is a disaster, blah blah.. I just seriously don't think you have any idea what you're wishing for.

[Secretariat]

It's not me makiong those comments about Bush. It's THe American Conservative magazine. Honestly, take a moment to read the article:

American Conservative Magazine just came out against Bush.

"George W. Bush has come to embody a politics that is antithetical to almost any kind of thoughtful conservatism. His international policies have been based on the hopelessly naïve belief that foreign peoples are eager to be liberated by American armies—a notion more grounded in Leon Trotsky’s concept of global revolution than any sort of conservative statecraft. His immigration policies—temporarily put on hold while he runs for re-election—are just as extreme. A re-elected President Bush would be committed to bringing in millions of low-wage immigrants to do jobs Americans 'won’t do.' This election is all about George W. Bush, and those issues are enough to render him unworthy of any conservative support."

http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover1.html

[sq764]

Originally posted by Secretariat
It's not me makiong those comments about Bush. It's THe American Conservative magazine. Honestly, take a moment to read the article:

American Conservative Magazine just came out against Bush.

"George W. Bush has come to embody a politics that is antithetical to almost any kind of thoughtful conservatism. His international policies have been based on the hopelessly naïve belief that foreign peoples are eager to be liberated by American armies—a notion more grounded in Leon Trotsky’s concept of global revolution than any sort of conservative statecraft. His immigration policies—temporarily put on hold while he runs for re-election—are just as extreme. A re-elected President Bush would be committed to bringing in millions of low-wage immigrants to do jobs Americans 'won’t do.' This election is all about George W. Bush, and those issues are enough to render him unworthy of any conservative support."

http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover1.html

I wasn't speaking of those comments. I was speaking of your utter ignorance to exactly what you are supporting. Fortunately for you, you have other Americans bailing your ass out by keeping the right president in office..

[Tom]

Originally posted by sq764
I don't quite think you realize the disaster that would happen if Kerry ever got his hands on the controls..

I know, you're going to say the country is a disaster, blah blah.. I just seriously don't think you have any idea what you're wishing for.

The Skipper let Gilligan have the wheel of the Minnow for 5 minutes and look what happened!

[JustRalph]

Originally posted by Tom
The Skipper let Gilligan have the wheel of the Minnow for 5 minutes and look what happened!

this time it is going to be a 4 year cruise........towards socialism

[ljb]

From Tom,
The Skipper let Gilligan have the wheel of the Minnow for 5 minutes and look what happened!


Exactly Tom,
That is why I urge you to help us take back control. This guy has taken us far off course. While the damage he has done is vast, with a concentrated effort by all, joining together, we can overcome the setbacks and get back on course.

[hcap]

Sorry, but there are more conservative and libertarian defectors than left wing defectors. In fact the Naderites are losing some of their base to Kerry. Florida anyone?

"The Texas Tsar"

http://worldonfire.typepad.com/world...exas_tsar.html

"Bush has behaved like a caricature of what a right-wing president is supposed to be, and his continuation in office will discredit any sort of conservatism for generations. The launching of an invasion against a country that posed no threat to the U.S., the doling out of war profits and concessions to politically favored corporations, the financing of the war by ballooning the deficit to be passed on to the nation’s children, the ceaseless drive to cut taxes for those outside the middle class and working poor: it is as if Bush sought to resurrect every false 1960s-era left-wing cliché about predatory imperialism and turn it into administration policy."

[PaceAdvantage]

The launching of an invasion against a country that posed no threat to the U.S.,

At the time of the invasion, most believed Iraq was a threat. Thus, this point is invalid.

the doling out of war profits and concessions to politically favored corporations,

I assume you are referring to Halliburton, the same company that was given the same type of NO BID contracts under the CLINTON administration. Invalid point #2.

I've just killed half of your post. Yes there is a deficit, and that can be debated as to how harmful that will prove to be. This country has rebounded quite nicely from deficits in the past, so I'm not worried.

And the tax cuts can be debated another way as well, and I don't feel like getting into it now.

Half your argument is FLAT wrong. THe other half is debatable.


YAWN.

NEXT.

[kenwoodallpromos]

Ventura got lucky 1 time that the voters were way P.O.ed in MN. Happens once in while by luck, but minor stuff is hard to maintain. Voters usually drift back to the big shot parties.
Nader is right in saying that the big parties usurp issues from the 3rd parties. The Demos and Repubs steal each others' ideas a lot too- you can see some of it in this campaign.
That is why the major parties' numbers are close all the time- they have to be fairly close to the middle on most things, especially economc and diplomatic.
That is why a Ventura only comes along once in a while.
And why a lot of former and future 3rd party types still support the "lesser of the evils".

[hcap]

PA

Half your argument is FLAT wrong. THe other half is debatable.


YAWN.

Not my argument. YOU missed the point as usual. Although I have argued those points many times MYSELF, and totally disagree with you, and the other wingnuts knee-jerking the preznits' line, THE POINT was that Scott McConnell of THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE was describing this failed presidency.


After all ljb started this thread pointing out endorsements from others. I just thought I would post conservative and libertarian viewpoints

More from Scott McConnell......

"The libertarian writer Lew Rockwell has mischievously noted parallels between Bush and Russia’s last tsar, Nicholas II: both gained office as a result of family connections, both initiated an unnecessary war that shattered their countries’ budgets."

YAWN

[ljb]

Hcap,
Methinks Pa did not miss your point he just chose to IGNORE it.