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Old 11-04-2014, 04:09 PM   #1
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BEL Fall handle

Did I miss this, or have they not yet released handle totals for the Fall meet?
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Old 11-04-2014, 09:09 PM   #2
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Last year they announced the figures on November 9th
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Old 11-07-2014, 12:31 PM   #3
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From @DRFGrening at live.drf.com:

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Due in part due to wet weather, Belmont Park’s fall meet suffered near double-digit declines in total and ontrack handle compared to a year ago.

All-sources handle for the 38-day meet was $294,710,551, a 9.8-percent decrease from last year’s total of $326,878,686 when 37 cards of racing were conducted. Ontrack handle for this year’s meet was $42,697,719, a 9.6 percent decline from last year’s figure of $47,238,016.

Attendance at this year’s meet was 102,566, an 18.9-percent decrease from last year’s figure of 126,469. Small crowds this fall prompted NYRA to close the third and fourth floors of Belmont for weekday programs in October.

Belmont conducted 365 races at this year’s fall meet, compared to 361 last fall. Inclement weather forced 47 scheduled turf races to be moved to the main track this year compared to only seven last year. All totaled, Belmont conducted 152 turf races this fall compared to 191 last year.

Average field size at this fall’s meet was 8.0 (2,927 starters for 365 races) compared to 8.4 (3,016 for 361 races) last fall.
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Old 11-07-2014, 03:46 PM   #4
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every place is down across the board no matter how good or bad the weather is. i thought this past Belmont meet was excellent. i love seeing Todd and Chad win races all the time, especially on the turf. the owner's that pay those guys day rates of $200 a day plus+ all those extra's deserve to win all those races.
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Old 11-08-2014, 07:30 PM   #5
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every place is down across the board no matter how good or bad the weather is. i thought this past Belmont meet was excellent. i love seeing Todd and Chad win races all the time, especially on the turf. the owner's that pay those guys day rates of $200 a day plus+ all those extra's deserve to win all those races.

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Old 11-08-2014, 08:32 PM   #6
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Did Lamboguy actually say people pay Chad and Todd over $200 as a day rate?

I hope people here don't listen to him.
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Old 11-09-2014, 08:10 AM   #7
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D. Wayne Lukas got $90 a day in 1998 so $200 i not out of the realm of possibility.
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Old 11-09-2014, 08:15 AM   #8
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So maybe the rumors of a whale operation leaving the US market are true.
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Old 11-09-2014, 09:51 AM   #9
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The Little Guy has no clue, he must be under the friends and family program. for peasants like myself you have to spend $9000-$10,000 per month per horse all in cost's to have these elite trainer's handle horses.
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Old 11-09-2014, 09:52 AM   #10
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D. Wayne Lukas got $90 a day in 1998 so $200 i not out of the realm of possibility.
Yes it is.

I guess it is a good thing I could correct him. People should not believe that. It isn't even close to true.
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Old 11-09-2014, 10:59 AM   #11
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Steve Zorn of @CVFPartnerships writes a blog, he had this to say about the day rates of the big trainers in 2012:

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Training Costs at NYRA tracks still average about $90-$95 a day, with barely any increase since I last reported two years ago. The big guys -- Pletcher, Mott, etc. -- charge a lot more, but that's not who we're talking about.
From this blog entry about ownership costs:

http://businessofracing.blogspot.com...ownership.html
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Old 11-09-2014, 11:31 AM   #12
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Yes it is.

I guess it is a good thing I could correct him. People should not believe that. It isn't even close to true.
Lambo may embellish somewhat but if he is paying the bills, I have no reason to doubt him.

Have you owned/or been involved in ownership to the extent that you are paying the invoices? I certainly have not. Is the extent of your opinion the result of second hand information or direct involvement?

Regardless, I know that I would rather use the $9-$10K playing the horses then paying for horses unless there are some compelling tax breaks associated with horse ownership.
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Old 11-09-2014, 12:23 PM   #13
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Lambo may embellish somewhat but if he is paying the bills, I have no reason to doubt him.

Have you owned/or been involved in ownership to the extent that you are paying the invoices? I certainly have not. Is the extent of your opinion the result of second hand information or direct involvement?

Regardless, I know that I would rather use the $9-$10K playing the horses then paying for horses unless there are some compelling tax breaks associated with horse ownership.
It's close to impossible for me to interpret Lamboguy's posts, but wasn't he being sarcastic in saying he loved seeing Pletcher and Brown winning everything? I'm almost certain he wasn't saying he personally was paying them $200 a day to train for him or that he as an owner was winning the races either...
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Old 11-09-2014, 12:34 PM   #14
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Lambo may embellish somewhat but if he is paying the bills, I have no reason to doubt him.

Have you owned/or been involved in ownership to the extent that you are paying the invoices? I certainly have not. Is the extent of your opinion the result of second hand information or direct involvement?

Regardless, I know that I would rather use the $9-$10K playing the horses then paying for horses unless there are some compelling tax breaks associated with horse ownership.
I'm sorry that he says wildly incorrect things and people like you, who I will guess are innocently reading this board and mistakenly think you can learn from him, are being misled. The little I can discern from his posts is frequently wrong, but the claim of $200 for Todd and Chad is simply wrong. If you think he knows better than me, then there's nothing I can do to change what is obviously a distorted opinion, but I surely know more about this particular instance than he does.

I realize people learn a lot of misinformation on these message boards. I thought I would at least correct this one. Believe whatever makes you happy.
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Old 11-09-2014, 12:57 PM   #15
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I just ran into Chad and told him that I read on the internet that he charges $200 a day. His response? " I wish. "

At that point another trainer jokingly said that he needs to start spreading that rumor...ya know....because nobody would pay that and then maybe he could get owners that were going to Chad instead of him.
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