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12-14-2016, 03:44 PM
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#151
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First Time Gelding
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
The "claim from" is a good angle. I like that too. In this case, I would have considered playing the horse anyway if Toscono was getting good results from his recent claims, but he hasn't been (as I noted earlier). So you were probably more right to toss than I was to be afraid.
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Yea I always look at who the horse was claimed from and avoid the big names at all costs ...Brad Cox, Jorge Navarro, Karl Broberg, you get the idea...
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12-14-2016, 03:51 PM
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#152
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"After every race...another system is born." -- Tom Ainslie
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12-14-2016, 03:52 PM
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#153
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Charm school graduate
Join Date: Jun 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyGoer89
tri's
2 5 10 with 1 2 5 6 7 10 with 4
1 2 5 6 7 10 with 2 5 10 with 4
and a super
2 5 10 with 1 2 5 6 7 10 with all with 4
1 2 5 6 7 10 with 2 5 10 with all with 4
and one more tri
2 5 6 10 w 2 5 6 10 with 4
I like your pick on the 4 as the 'action horse'
The top 3 chalks all appear to be faster than the 4, so if the 4 runs her race, she might finish underneath at boxcars.
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Thank you
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12-14-2016, 03:52 PM
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#154
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thaskalos
"After every race...another system is born." -- Tom Ainslie
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How about "after every race, people analyze the results and see where their thinking may have gone astray?"
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12-14-2016, 03:53 PM
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#155
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Congrats to those who beat this race! My horse was jinxed by the TVG guys who quite obviously don't know how to pronounce Italian. She is worth following, and for those who care, her name is loosely translated as "It Never Ends."
Kudos to the NYRA race caller who pronounced it properly.
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12-14-2016, 03:56 PM
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#156
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
How about "after every race, people analyze the results and see where their thinking may have gone astray?"
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Handicapping your handicapping .Always a good idea.
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12-14-2016, 04:01 PM
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#157
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
How about "after every race, people analyze the results and see where their thinking may have gone astray?"
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I used to do this too, but I gave up the practice...because the "right play" seems so obvious after the race is run.
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12-14-2016, 04:04 PM
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#158
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clean money
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Maryland
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Race played out exactly how it looked.
controlled the race and was either going to stop or win
the underlayed was a very obvious and logical contender
before the race, I may have guessed 5/2 as 'fair' for the 10, but like I said, I just didn't know enough about the 10 to play along.
Wasn't a difficult race to 'survive', as a part of a multi-race sequence, but this was a difficult race to derive actual value from, as far as leveraging any sort of opinion.
That is how tough racing is in terms of a play-every-race game!
I knew the race fairly well. I could see 2 underlays (2,5). 2 Underlays! I could see the important horse who would dominate the scenarios and probabilities. Yet, I didn't know enough about the important horse to make more than a broad estimate in terms of her probability of winning.
Think about that when debating play-every-race ROI.
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12-14-2016, 04:11 PM
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#159
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First Time Gelding
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 642
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
Race played out exactly how it looked.
controlled the race and was either going to stop or win
the underlayed was a very obvious and logical contender
before the race, I may have guessed 5/2 as 'fair' for the 10, but like I said, I just didn't know enough about the 10 to play along.
Wasn't a difficult race to 'survive', as a part of a multi-race sequence, but this was a difficult race to derive actual value from, as far as leveraging any sort of opinion.
That is how tough racing is in terms of a play-every-race game!
I knew the race fairly well. I could see 2 underlays (2,5). 2 Underlays! I could see the important horse who would dominate the scenarios and probabilities. Yet, I didn't know enough about the important horse to make more than a broad estimate in terms of her probability of winning.
Think about that when debating play-every-race ROI.
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EasyGoer found the value in the race betting tris and supers with the 4 underneath ...he posted two winning supers...it paid 651 for a buck
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12-14-2016, 04:12 PM
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Veteran
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What would any race be without post commentary by Class and Fischer?
Paresis before the fact; garrulity after.
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12-14-2016, 04:15 PM
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#161
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arw629
She was claimed off Brad Cox tho...i can't bet horses claimed off really good trainers bc they seem to rarely run back to that form let alone improve ...the rare case I would bet them back is a very quick turnaround and this one would almost qualify for me but I avoid horses like these like the plague
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Lets see if I understand you in this thread:
In your post #141, you were so impressed by the betting action on the 5-horse...that you declared this horse as "the play". But in your very next post, after the race was run, you were disparaging the 5...and wondering who was betting it at such a low price. And now...you are giving us your reasons for "avoiding such horses like the plague".
And this all makes SENSE to you? If you have such "sound" reasons for "avoiding the 5-horse like the plague"...then, why did you call this horse "the play" in post #141?
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Last edited by thaskalos; 12-14-2016 at 04:18 PM.
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12-14-2016, 04:19 PM
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#162
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Location: Cincinnati,Ohio
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyGoer89
Thank you
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Nicely done!
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12-14-2016, 04:21 PM
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#163
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Authorized Advertiser
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Oakland, Ca
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyGoer89
Thank you
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Classic SRU right there....you are so busted
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12-14-2016, 04:24 PM
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#164
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First Time Gelding
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 642
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thaskalos
Lets see if I understand you in this thread:
In your post #141, you were so impressed by the betting action on the 5-horse...that you declared this horse as "the play". But in your very next post, after the race was run, you were disparaging the 5...and wondering who was betting it at such a low price. And now...you are giving us your reasons for "avoiding such horses like the plague".
And this all makes SENSE to you? If you have such "sound" reasons for "avoiding the 5-horse like the plague"...then, why did you call this horse "the play" in post #141?
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It was sarcasm
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12-14-2016, 04:25 PM
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#165
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SRU demonstrated to us here that the point of this game isn't to make "selections"...but to make BETS! He took a horse that was an unlikely winner...and created a profitable betting situation around it.
Well done!
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