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11-30-2020, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Oh, the world liked us less...oh lordy...what ever shall we do? The world liked us less...oh my God!
What can we do to make sure the world likes us more again?
I know! We need to drop the USA down a bunch of pegs. Make it more like some of the shitholes around the world. Then they'll like us more.
It's the communist way.
Hopefully, Joe Biden will be saying this about the US soon, on the world stage:
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Trump had the best foreign policy since Reagan. Bar none.
No new wars.
Got us out of the one-sided Paris Accord.
De-escalated the wars that were ongoing (Iraq and Afghanistan).
Got Mexico to protect its border thus reducing illegal immigration.
Improved NAFTA by a ton.
Forced our NATO "allies" to participant in paying for their protection.
Called out and slapped tariffs on Europe and China for anti-competitive behavior.
Kept NK in check.
Isolated Iran.
Brought Middle East F'ing Peace.
When it came to foreign policy, Trump did a damned great job.
Last edited by tucker6; 11-30-2020 at 09:56 AM.
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11-30-2020, 09:58 AM
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11-30-2020, 09:59 AM
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11-30-2020, 10:45 AM
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Trump had the best foreign policy since Reagan. Bar none.
Brought Middle East F'ing Peace.
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As over-statements go this must be right at the top.
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11-30-2020, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Oh, the world liked us less...oh lordy...what ever shall we do? The world liked us less...oh my God!
What can we do to make sure the world likes us more again?
I know! We need to drop the USA down a bunch of pegs. Make it more like some of the shitholes around the world. Then they'll like us more.
It's the communist way.
Hopefully, Joe Biden will be saying this about the US soon, on the world stage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl_NpdAy3WY |
Communist? Not too popular. Remember the wall that fell?
Done under multinational-ism. A philosophy practiced by all US presidents since WWII. NATO? Duh? Allies? Duh?
Until of course your ignorant EX king creep.
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11-30-2020, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by hcap
Not too popular. Remember the wall that fell?
Done under multinational-ism.
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That is not true at all. It was because the USA under Reagan militarily spent the Soviets into poverty. Our allies had nothing to do with it other than to not assist the Soviets. And yet we now see Merkel building pipelines to prop up the Russians. Friend my ass. There's only 2-3 NATO allies worth a damn. The rest would cut our throats for a dusty rug.
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11-30-2020, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by hcap
Communist? Not too popular. Remember the wall that fell?
Done under multinational-ism. A philosophy practiced by all US presidents since WWII. NATO? Duh? Allies? Duh?
Until of course your ignorant EX king creep.
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Communist = bring those on top down to the level of those at the bottom....
They've been trying to do that to the USA since day 1.
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11-30-2020, 11:59 AM
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That is not true at all. It was because the USA under Reagan militarily spent the Soviets into poverty. Our allies had nothing to do with it other than to not assist the Soviets. And yet we now see Merkel building pipelines to prop up the Russians. Friend my ass. There's only 2-3 NATO allies worth a damn. The rest would cut our throats for a dusty rug.
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Only part of the closing chapter of the COLD WAR
Yes Ronnie was smart, but since WWII, European allies in conjunction with American leaders responded to the Soviet control of Eastern Europe by developing a policy of containment–the United States preventing communism from spreading to additional countries, even though it would not challenge communism where it already existed. This cold war went on and forced the Soviets into difficult positions. A long and diffident but strategic alternative to all out thermonuclear war.
The Soviets were not only outspent, but way earlier the Truman Doctrine introduced the American policy that it would support any country that was fighting communism.
The start of America’s policy of containment.
Truman also started NATO. The allies from WWII.
Of course much had to do with "Mikhail Gorbachev’s Glasnost and Perestroika" Reagan and George H. W. Bush could not have done it as easily without him.
As usual you reduce history, jut like climate change and, infectious diseases to oversimplified pablum
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11-30-2020, 12:18 PM
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Only part of the closing chapter of the COLD WAR
Yes Ronnie was smart, but since WWII, European allies in conjunction with American leaders responded to the Soviet control of Eastern Europe by developing a policy of containment–the United States preventing communism from spreading to additional countries, even though it would not challenge communism where it already existed. This cold war went on and forced the Soviets into difficult positions. A long and diffident but strategic alternative to all out thermonuclear war.
The Soviets were not only outspent, but way earlier the Truman Doctrine introduced the American policy that it would support any country that was fighting communism.
The start of America’s policy of containment.
Truman also started NATO. The allies from WWII.
Of course much had to do with "Mikhail Gorbachev’s Glasnost and Perestroika" Reagan and George H. W. Bush could not have done it as easily without him.
As usual you reduce history, jut like climate change and, infectious diseases to oversimplified pablum
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NATO is the organization the Americans developed to combat the Soviets under the guise of multi-lateralism. Without the USA, NATO wouldn't exist at the beginning, the middle, nor the end. We funded it. We ran it. We had what was tantamount to sole veto power. NATO = USA
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11-30-2020, 01:01 PM
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Point was Trade Deficit did not start under Trump as you seemed to push... out sourcing jobs started on wall street... greed sped it along. China took advantage of their greed... for which Joe helped enable due to perks of the office. I believe America First... should be a U.S. Presidents primary mission on all things. Don't you?
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11-30-2020, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by OntheRail
Point was Trade Deficit did not start under Trump as you seemed to push... out sourcing jobs started on wall street... greed sped it along. China took advantage of their greed... for which Joe helped enable due to perks of the office. I believe America First... should be a U.S. Presidents primary mission on all things. Don't you?
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Internet for “I was wrong but can’t admit it”
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11-30-2020, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by OntheRail
Point was Trade Deficit did not start under Trump as you seemed to push... out sourcing jobs started on wall street... greed sped it along. China took advantage of their greed... for which Joe helped enable due to perks of the office. I believe America First... should be a U.S. Presidents primary mission on all things. Don't you?
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That's an odd thing to have to debate. Why wouldn't you want to put your own first? Do people put their neighbors first? No. Doesn't mean you don't cooperate, but they aren't first or equal either to your own family.
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11-30-2020, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
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Hey look it's my shadow or is that stalker? I mean you do stand with creepy Joe Briben.
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11-30-2020, 01:59 PM
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That's an odd thing to have to debate. Why wouldn't you want to put your own first? Do people put their neighbors first? No. Doesn't mean you don't cooperate, but they aren't first or equal either to your own family.
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I know right...
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11-30-2020, 02:01 PM
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That's an odd thing to have to debate. Why wouldn't you want to put your own first? Do people put their neighbors first? No. Doesn't mean you don't cooperate, but they aren't first or equal either to your own family.
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What about the Christian doctrine of loving your neighbor as you love yourself?
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