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03-09-2020, 05:07 PM
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#106
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Location: Queens, NY
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Originally Posted by cj
Saul Goodman.
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I'm binge watching that show now. :-)
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03-09-2020, 05:08 PM
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#107
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Location: Moore, OK
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
I'm binge watching that show now. :-)
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I like it more than Breaking Bad to be honest. Slower moving but that is more my speed.
Last edited by cj; 03-09-2020 at 05:14 PM.
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03-09-2020, 05:12 PM
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#108
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Location: Queens, NY
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Originally Posted by cj
I like it more than Breaking Bad to be honest. Slower moving but more that is more my speed.
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I just finished binge watching Breaking Bad. I liked it a lot. At first I didn't like the Saul character that much, but he slowly grew on me. I'm still in the middle of the first season of Better Call Saul. So far it's very good.
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03-09-2020, 05:17 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
When I said "this is the tip of the iceberg"...I didn't mean that the punishment should wait until all the cheaters were rounded up. What I meant was...crucify the ones mentioned here...but don't stop there.
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Below the tip of the ice berg is the people who run the race tracks themselves. I imagine that is one huge cesspool of conflicts of interest that needs to be broken up. NO ONE associated with running a track or officiating one should allowed tho have ANY connection to the racing itself. Perhaps one of the three stewards at every track should be from the FBI.
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03-09-2020, 05:18 PM
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Location: NJ
Posts: 5,851
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Originally Posted by cj
One thing I've always thought was a tell tale sign was the recent fad of "training up to races". Trainers that consistently fire big off the bench is a serious red flag in my opinion. The two big name guys here were prolific with it.
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Interesting stat. I claimed one off Navarro in August it took my trainer 8 months to get her to the winners circle I have been saying for a long time on this forum that I believed that Navarro was doing some sort of juicing to his horses that wasn’t detectable by the race tracks. It took an FBI investigation to nail him and I hope he goes behind bars for a long time and never goes near another race horse again this is a huge victory for everyone owners gamblers other trainers that do it the right way score one for the good guys finally in this industry!
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03-09-2020, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by foregoforever
For those that read the linked story earlier in the day, it has been updated in the past half hour with much more information. It provides a bit easier read than the original indictment.
One paragraph that caught my eye (emphasis mine):
The details of a phone conversation between Navarro and “operators of a racing stable in California, for whom Navarro is a trainer” were also released. Discussing the horse Nanoosh, one of the operators on the call was quoted as questioning whether Navarro was “giving them [the operator’s horses] all the s–t” asking later, “Is this horse jacked out? Is he on f–ing pills or are we just f–king-.” Navarro is alleged to have replied “Everything. He gets everything.” Individual 1 cuts short the discussion, saying, “You don’t have to tell me on the phone,” according to the indictment. In his most recent start, the registered owners of Nanoosh were Rockingham Ranch, Zayat Stables LLC and David L. Bernsen. Individual 1 is not identified.
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The Peter Miller/Rockingham Ranch horses always outperformed the other horses in his stable.
There are owners that dont give a shit about the horses they just want the wins, money, attention.
Last edited by GMB@BP; 03-09-2020 at 05:26 PM.
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03-09-2020, 05:26 PM
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clean money
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Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by jk3521
Is there an official list somewhere? We all knew something was up with Navarro and Servis. Interested to see if some of my "favorite" trainers are involved.
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That's the elephant in the room.
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03-09-2020, 06:31 PM
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Location: Boston+Ocala
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Originally Posted by onefast99
This is an FBI investigation due to simulcast worldwide it is also an international investigation as well that has yielded a lot of damaging information against many involved in this industry. To say we have only hit the tip of the iceberg is probably a correct assumption. Now we can just sit back and await the removal of those involved in this doping scandal. There is one thing for sure a lot of trainers that left Monmouth Park because of Navarro will now return!
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you would think so, but these tracks tend to look the other way when it comes down to these big outfits. to me they are every bit as guilty as Navarro and Servis. and there might be other Navarro's and Servis's ready to step in and train for the same owners.
it really boils down to how this game is run. when a few guys control all the horses, bad things tend to happen.
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03-09-2020, 06:33 PM
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Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 9,893
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Originally Posted by lamboguy
you would think so, but these tracks tend to look the other way when it comes down to these big outfits. to me they are every bit as guilty as Navarro and Servis. and there might be other Navarro's and Servis's ready to step in and train for the same owners.
it really boils down to how this game is run. when a few guys control all the horses, bad things tend to happen.
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That's the big question - will this have a chilling effect on others? I hope so, but I wouldn't bet too much on it.
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03-09-2020, 06:40 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2020
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Originally Posted by cj
I like it more than Breaking Bad to be honest. Slower moving but that is more my speed.
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I’ll guess Navarro/Servis prefer B.B.
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03-09-2020, 06:41 PM
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Registered Wacko
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Belmont-ish
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
The Saudis are extremely concerned about doping. I hate to compliment them on anything- I think that royal family is a malign influence on the world- but they have a zero tolerance doping policy over there and they promoted it in advance of the Saudi Cup. I imagine the option disqualifying Maximum Security will at least be considered in light of this.
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Here’s the tricky part: If it is proven that Servis drugged Maximum Security for the Saudi Cup, could Saudi Arabia charge Servis with a crime? If so, Servis better never leave the USA ever again.
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03-09-2020, 06:42 PM
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Navarro had this coming. “The juice man! We **** everyone”
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03-09-2020, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
That's the big question - will this have a chilling effect on others? I hope so, but I wouldn't bet too much on it.
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Well Surick is facing 40 yrs. 85% minimum federal sentencing must be served so I hope to hell there are no deals for the major actors to send a strng deterrent to others. Its the only way the game will get cleaned up once guys start making reservations at the Crowbar Motel.
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03-09-2020, 06:51 PM
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#119
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Registered Wacko
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Location: Belmont-ish
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Originally Posted by Irishfever
Well Surick is facing 40 yrs. 85% minimum federal sentencing must be served so I hope to hell there are no deals for the major actors to send a strng deterrent to others. Its the only way the game will get cleaned up once guys start making reservations at the Crowbar Motel.
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If Surick is indeed facing 40 years in Club Fed, well...the guy is in his twenties. He will sing like a canary to get a lesser sentence. Stay tuned!
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03-09-2020, 06:52 PM
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#120
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Location: Missouri
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the indictment left off about 20+ trainers who win at a rate 2x that of Mott and Graham.
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