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Old 09-11-2005, 09:00 PM   #1
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Is Blanco to Blame?

Unlike Boxcar, I promise not to respond to myself in 5 of the 6 postings.

Let’s once more look at the timeline.

Governor Blanco. She put the call out for a State of Emergency on the 26th of August. Here it is again:

Date: 8/26/2005

GOVERNOR BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY


BATON ROUGE, LA--Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco today issued Proclamation No. 48 KBB 2005, declaring a state of emergency for the state Louisiana as Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of the state of Louisiana The state of emergency extends from Friday, August 26, 2005, through Sunday, September 25, 2005, unless terminated sooner.

That's the trigger for FEMA to shift into high gear with the National Response Plan (NRP) of the Federal Homeland Security. In fact at this time Blanco deployed the Louisiana National Guard to NOLA and around the state as best was possible. However, some troops and equipment were in Iraq so a full deployment could not occur.

So, Thursday the 26th, Louisiana shouts "Help!" The White House reciprocated the same day, but here's the rub:

Their official WH notification has the Parishes affected as:

“The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing.... Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn.”

Notice anything missing? Maybe New Orleans, Jefferson Parish, Plaquemines Parish, St Bernards Parish, and all the other parishes that comprise the NOLA and seaboard parts of Louisiana? They’re simply not there. FEMA's own site makes the same mistake in outlining counties of jurisdiction for their efforts, or, as they confidently put it:

“FEMA intends to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the designated areas”

FEMA then proceeds--until it was changed on Monday--to NOT list the most affected seaboard parishes, New Orleans included. Right state, but kinda missed some of the wrong parishes till it was way too late.

Then it seems the White House was worried about 18-19 year old guardsmen not having the requisite skills. The White House and FEMA would not start advancing supplies til the paperwork was ironed out. As reported by MSNBC, via Jurist:

...President Bush could have "federalized" the National Guard in an instant. That's what his father, President George H.W. Bush, did after the Los Angeles riots in 1992.... But after Katrina, a strange paralysis set in. For days, Bush's top advisers argued over legal niceties about who was in charge, according to three White House officials who declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the negotiations. Beginning early in the week, Justice Department lawyers presented arguments for federalizing the Guard, but Defense Department lawyers fretted about untrained 19-year-olds trying to enforce local laws, according to a senior law-enforcement official who requested anonymity citing the delicate nature of the discussions.”

So what was all the deal with the federal Department of Homeland Security during this? Well from their fed site:

“Preparing America
In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interap...orial_0569.xml

There is listed on the site a lengthy document called the National Response Plan (NRP) which is to go into effect upon any “Incident of National Significance” signed by none other than:

Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary, Department of Defense
Tommy G.Thompson, Secretary, Department of Health and Human Services
Tom Ridge, Secretary, Department of Homeland Security
John Ashcroft, Attorney General, Department of Justice
Porter J. Goss, Director of Central Intelligence, Central Intelligence Agency
and just about every member of the cabinet.

The NRP document bases the definition of “Incidents of National Significance” on situations related to the following four criteria set forth in HSPD-5:

1. A Federal department or agency acting under its own authority has requested the assistance of the Secretary of Homeland Security.

2. The resources of State and local authorities are overwhelmed and Federal assistance has been requested by the appropriate State and local authorities.

Examples include:
Major disasters or emergencies as defined under the Stafford Act; and
■ Catastrophic incidents (see definition on page 43).


Now, see item 2? "The resources of State and local authorities are overwhelmed and federal assistance has been requested..."

Such as Date: 8/26/2005

GOVERNOR BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY

BATON ROUGE, LA--Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco today issued Proclamation No. 48 KBB 2005, declaring a state of emergency for the state Louisiana as Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of the state of Louisiana The state of emergency extends from Friday, August 26, 2005, through Sunday, September 25, 2005, unless terminated sooner.

Followed by:

From the White House
For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
August 27, 2005

The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing. The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts...

So FEMA was ordered by the President to “coordinate ALL disaster releif efforts”.

Now, where was the National Guard is often asked? Well, the units Blanco had at her command, those LA units not deployed to Iraq, were in fact in New Orleans, making themselves most definitely known to the folk of the Superdome and elsewhere throughout the state.

Then on Sunday from the National Weather Service:

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
1011 AM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED...

HURRICANE KATRINA...A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED STRENGTH...RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969.

MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER.

AT LEAST HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...ALL WOOD FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED...ALL WINDOWS WILL BE BLOWN OUT.

THE VAST MAJORITY...OF TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED.

POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.

WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.

Despite this warning – No water was forthcoming from FEMA, which on August 26th had been “ordered by the President’s declaration to “coordinate all disaster releif efforts.”

Pretty much says it all.
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says it all? Hardly. Says only the parts that you want to acknowledge. You ignore everything else because it doesn't fit your agenda.
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Old 09-11-2005, 09:28 PM   #3
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There you go again...........your obsessed ...........


It thrills me to no end that Bush has done this to you.................
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Old 09-11-2005, 09:32 PM   #4
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This one's for YOU, Ralph.

There YOU go again!

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Old 09-11-2005, 11:43 PM   #5
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Unlike Boxcar, I promise not to respond to myself in 5 of the 6 postings
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Now if we could only get you to promise to think outside your undersized box, we'd making some real progress.

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Let’s once more look at the timeline
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Must we again?

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Pretty much says it all.
Yes, it does. But only to the naive and simple-minded whose box is as small as yours.

Oh, yeah...one more thing: It was Bush's (not BlancLook's) emergency delclaration that set the FEMA ball in motion. See:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167240,00.html

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one more little legal "factoid" fer ya, Sec...

Even after the President declares a state of emergency for any state, the Governor must file an official request for federal assitance before FEMA can actually provide any.

If memory serves, Gov Tweedelee Dumb didn't do that until 9/1 or so! I guess, this "little technicality", too, slipped her mind.

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Old 09-12-2005, 12:27 AM   #7
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Now if we could only get you to promise to think outside your undersized box, we'd making some real progress.

Must we again?

Yes, it does. But only to the naive and simple-minded whose box is as small as yours.

Oh, yeah...one more thing: It was Bush's (not BlancLook's) emergency delclaration that set the FEMA ball in motion. See:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167240,00.html

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Despite your childlike insults from a supposedly religious man, that is exactly what I posted:

"Followed by:

From the White House
For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
August 27, 2005

The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing. The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts..."

Do you actually read other people's posts or just the first sentence?
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Even after the President declares a state of emergency for any state, the Governor must file an official request for federal assitance before FEMA can actually provide any.

If memory serves, Gov Tweedelee Dumb didn't do that until 9/1 or so! I guess, this "little technicality", too, slipped her mind.

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Well, again you have been misinformed. Here is the request which occurred on 08/27/05. A day AFTER she declared a state of emergency. Why do you keep posting these inaccuracies? it was not AFTER 9/1 as you say. Tell the truth. Perhaps it's not libs who are afraid of "facts" as your private thread insists. A good read.

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Rel...ail.asp?id=976

"Governor Blanco asks President to Declare an Emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina

BATON ROUGE—Today Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco forwarded a letter to President Bush requesting that he declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina. The full text of the letter follows:

August 27, 2005

The President
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Through:
Regional Director
FEMA Region VI
800 North Loop 288
Denton, Texas 76209

Dear Mr. President:

Under the provisions of Section 501 (a) of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 5121-5206 (Stafford Act), and implemented by 44 CFR § 206.35, I request that you declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina for the time period beginning August 26, 2005, and continuing. The affected areas are all the southeastern parishes including the New Orleans Metropolitan area and the mid state Interstate I-49 corridor and northern parishes along the I-20 corridor that are accepting the thousands of citizens evacuating from the areas expecting to be flooded as a result of Hurricane Katrina.
……………

Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal.

Preliminary estimates of the types and amount of emergency assistance needed under the Stafford Act, and emergency assistance from certain Federal agencies under other statutory authorities are tabulated in Enclosure A.

…..
The following information is furnished on efforts and resources of other Federal agencies, which have been or will be used in responding to this incident:
• FEMA ERT-A Team en-route.

I certify that for this emergency, the State and local governments will assume all applicable non-Federal share of costs required by the Stafford Act.

I request Direct Federal assistance for work and services to save lives and protect property.

….

I have designated Mr. Art Jones as the State Coordinating Officer for this request. He will work with the Federal Emergency Management Agency in damage assessments and may provide further information or justification on my behalf.

Sincerely,

Kathleen Babineaux Blanco
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Despite your childlike insults from a supposedly religious man, that is exactly what I posted
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But...not before you posted this:

Date: 8/26/2005

GOVERNOR BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY

BATON ROUGE, LA--Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco today issued Proclamation No. 48 KBB 2005, declaring a state of emergency for the state Louisiana as Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of the state of Louisiana The state of emergency extends from Friday, August 26, 2005, through Sunday, September 25, 2005, unless terminated sooner.

That's the trigger for FEMA to shift into high gear with the National Response Plan (NRP) of the Federal Homeland Security. In fact at this time Blanco deployed the Louisiana National Guard to NOLA and around the state as best was possible. However, some troops and equipment were in Iraq so a full deployment could not occur
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IOW, her declaration was not "the trigger".

As far as my "childhood insults", I'm just pointing out the reality of your condition, and trying to help you overcome your handicap. If you could just somehow escape the fog of Liberalism, I'm sure you'd be able to demonstrate that that you're a bright, okay, down-to-earth kinda guy. But until then....hmmm....

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Please enlighten yourself and read my previous post.
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There you go again...........your obsessed ...........


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you're obsessed.........does it really matter.........the point is the same
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John Conyers asked the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service to evaluate whether the State of Louisiana made the necessary and timely requests required under federal law to receive federal disaster relief resources. As you know, in the aftermath of Katrina, we have witnessed a string of shameless attempts by the White House and right wing spinners to pin the blame on the Louisana Governor and thereby evade accountability for the President's inaction.

Here is the Congressional Research Services response.


It is a long PDF file, but covers it pretty completely.

http://www2.dccc.org/docs/conyersgaokatrina.pdf
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Sec----quick, you need to alert the media about your non-partisan faxed report because they are all starting to question the local response.
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Interesting Sec that you will not talk about leadership at the local level not taking control of the situation. No one on the ground took charge until LTG Honore arrived. It seems that many officials in LA still do not want to take charge. Do you know what Mayor Nagin was doing for half of last week? He was at his new house that he just purchased getting his family settled in and his children enrolled in school. Where's his new house? Dallas. As in Dallas, TX. Instead of being the face of NO on the ground as the mayor for half of last week, he decided to buy a new house in a different state. Interesting.
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Amazing assertion by Blanco today.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/...lanco001.shtml

Blanco says feds pledged buses
By MICHELLE MILLHOLLON
mmillhollon@theadvocate.com
Capitol news bureau

"Nearly three weeks after Hurricane Katrina raged ashore, Gov. Kathleen Blanco still wants one question answered.
Where were the buses?

Hours after the hurricane hit Aug. 29, the Federal Emergency Management Agency announced a plan to send 500 commercial buses into New Orleans to rescue thousands of people left stranded on highways, overpasses and in shelters, hospitals and homes.

On the day of the storm, or perhaps the day after, FEMA turned down the state's suggestion to use school buses because they are not air conditioned, Blanco said Friday in an interview.

Even after levees broke and residents were crowding the Louisiana Superdome, then-FEMA Director Mike Brown was bent on using his own buses to evacuate New Orleans, Blanco said."
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