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10-17-2010, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
The author wasn't there when I looked at it the first time. They must have just added it on.
I'm glad to see who wrote it though! I like knowing which authors I could trust.
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Don't get carried away.
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10-17-2010, 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
I don't believe that many knowledgable Zenyatta fans would disagree with Shuback. Goldikova is the biggest star at this show. Naturally she's not getting the hype like Zenyatta, but her record speaks for itself.
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Why, Jim, why?
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10-17-2010, 12:56 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
I don't believe that many knowledgable Zenyatta fans would disagree with Shuback. Goldikova is the biggest star at this show. Naturally she's not getting the hype like Zenyatta, but her record speaks for itself.
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If I gave a shit about Euro racing, maybe, but I couldn't care less about their racing. If she comes over fine, but if not, it will not bother me in the least, In fact, I hope it comes up soft that day to hurt her chances. Might get a nice price on something else.
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10-17-2010, 01:04 AM
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Just another Facist
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I like watching her ........ great horse. Al...... if you need to make a stop near Baltimore.......let me know........
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10-17-2010, 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
If I gave a shit about Euro racing, maybe, but I couldn't care less about their racing. If she comes over fine, but if not, it will not bother me in the least, In fact, I hope it comes up soft that day to hurt her chances. Might get a nice price on something else.
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Is it Euro racing when she wins the Breeders cup two years in a row? How do you approach the BC turf races, do you just ignore any Euro horse because you don't care about Euro racing and simply hope they lose?
Personally I like to see the best horses race, regardless of what continent they call home.
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10-17-2010, 01:53 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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No, I usually play the Euros on turf or poly) but I don't get all excited about Euro racing. I bet them one day - I could care what happens the rest of the year. the last two years, on poly, I had to look deeper into Euros to get a handle on who was coming here.....and hated it.
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10-17-2010, 07:02 AM
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intus habes, quem poscis
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Originally Posted by ronsmac
Goldikova is a big star, but she's just a miler in Europe which is almost like a 6f horse over here. The true classic european horses are 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 types, thus she's not the true star in my opinion.
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A mile is a classic distance in Europe. This may be one of the most ignorant statements I've seen in a while.
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10-17-2010, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
I agree with everything say here. He's biased towards Europeans, no doubt and for the most part can't stand him. However, most of the points he has made here are valid.
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Apparently, it makes a huge difference when someone is telling you what you want to hear.
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10-17-2010, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by PhantomOnTour
Goldikova's career is the example of how to campaign a champion. Travel and face the best boys and girls on their turf, your turf, any turf. Not scared to lose...we will remember her wins and not those few setbacks when it's all over.
Shuback is right, but Zen will get the most hype. She's a champ in her own right, but imo Goldy has had the better career because of her owner. Who knows what Zen really could have done??? We've had the pleasure of finding that out with Goldikova.
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That's weird, maybe one of the "know all" posters can chime in with the reasons that Goldikova, being "the example of how to campaign a champion" failed to show up for a showdown with Zenyatta the past couple of years.
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10-17-2010, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jonnielu
That's weird, maybe one of the "know all" posters can chime in with the reasons that Goldikova, being "the example of how to campaign a champion" failed to show up for a showdown with Zenyatta the past couple of years.
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Duh, Goldikova showed up, Zenyatta just ducked her by going in the main track races. It's rather rude when you think about it. Here Goldikova comes 9000k just to meet her, and that stuck up Zenyatta acts like she doesn't know Goldikova's there.
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10-17-2010, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by FenceBored
Duh, Goldikova showed up, Zenyatta just ducked her by going in the main track races. It's rather rude when you think about it. Here Goldikova comes 9000k just to meet her, and that stuck up Zenyatta acts like she doesn't know Goldikova's there.
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Wow, I didn't even know that you had become one of the "know all" posters. That's even worse, Goldikova ponies up for airfare and all, then enters the wrong race. Bummer.
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10-17-2010, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FenceBored
Duh, Goldikova showed up, Zenyatta just ducked her by going in the main track races. It's rather rude when you think about it. Here Goldikova comes 9000k just to meet her, and that stuck up Zenyatta acts like she doesn't know Goldikova's there.
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Sarcasm will not get you far here.
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10-17-2010, 09:54 AM
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2 outta 3 aint bad
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Alan Shuback has been Daily Racing Form's foreign correspondent since 1993.
Not very biased.....huh.
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10-17-2010, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jonnielu
That's weird, maybe one of the "know all" posters can chime in with the reasons that Goldikova, being "the example of how to campaign a champion" failed to show up for a showdown with Zenyatta the past couple of years.
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Read her PP properly jonnie and i'm sure you will be able to figure out why.
BTW, any idea why Zen failed to show up for showdown with Ravens Pass, Henrythenavigator and Curlin in 2008
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10-17-2010, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by jonnielu
Wow, I didn't even know that you had become one of the "know all" posters. That's even worse, Goldikova ponies up for airfare and all, then enters the wrong race. Bummer.
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It's called compromise. Goldikova comes 45,294 furlongs to race, and all Zenyatta has to do is cut back 1 (2008) or 2 furlongs (2009) to meet her. Who did the hard work here?
Heck, did Zenny even take Goldy clubbing after the races? As Jerry Moss's horse you'd think she'd know the best clubs and be on all the lists. No she didn't, cause she's a lousy hostess and a ducker to boot.
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