Great News! U.S. Won’t Recover Lost Jobs Until March 2020 At Current Pace

[Tom]

The fed has no business in our educational system - that is local territory.
Secure the borders and shut up.

[pandy]

Originally Posted by mostpost

If you read the article, you will see that most of the jobs being lost now are in state and local government. Wasn't that exactly what you guys were looking for? Cut the size of Government? Of course we are cutting its size to the point that it will not be able to function.
Another area in which we are losing jobs is teachers. Another part of the conservative plan. Make the electorate stupid and you will win every election.
How many of the jobs lost in the private sector were lost because of outsourcing or closing a plant and moving it to Indonesia or Mexico? Companies survived and did quite well before outsourcing. But then we entered the era of greed. Now it is no longer good enough to make a billion dollar profit. Now you need to make a ten Billion dollar profit.

I lost two jobs from outsourcing and that is one area where I disagree strongly with most conservative and Republican politicians, I agree with you there. Bush made is clear that he would not do anything to stop outsourcing, he said that if you lose your job you should go back to school and learn a new trade. Obama said that he would do something to stop outsourcing, but of course he hasn't.

[Tom]

Pandy, Clinton started it with NAFTA. Bush encouraged it, Obama ignored it.
We have to face the fact that for 18 years, the POTUS has not lifted a finger to help the American citizens. Well, maybe they have lifted one finger...

I hold no doubts that all three will burn in Hell and I celebrate that fact.

[jonnielu]

Originally Posted by mostpost

If you read the article, you will see that most of the jobs being lost now are in state and local government. Wasn't that exactly what you guys were looking for? Cut the size of Government? Of course we are cutting its size to the point that it will not be able to function.
Another area in which we are losing jobs is teachers. Another part of the conservative plan. Make the electorate stupid and you will win every election.
How many of the jobs lost in the private sector were lost because of outsourcing or closing a plant and moving it to Indonesia or Mexico? Companies survived and did quite well before outsourcing. But then we entered the era of greed. Now it is no longer good enough to make a billion dollar profit. Now you need to make a ten Billion dollar profit.

It seems with the election of Obama, the evidence is in that the electorate could not get more stupid.

jdl

[fast4522]

The majority want to trust, now most feel betrayed.

[ArlJim78]

the problem with education is we've been getting stupid for a long time now despite spending through the nose on education. teachers unions have bought off the Democrats, that's why they receive the bulk of the stimulus, and that special emergency bill just last month. no group or company spends more buying political favors. they are not losing their jobs despite the horrible effect the NEA has had on our educational performance. but like any union, it serves its own members needs first and foremost, at the same time they bankrupt their employers and turn out ever inferior products.
a complete national disgrace.

[pandy]

I'm not a big fan of Nafta, Clinton, Bush, or Obama, so I agree with you Tom.

[boxcar]

[QUOTE=ArlJim78]the problem with education is we've been getting stupid for a long time now despite spending through the nose on education. teachers unions have bought off the Democrats, that's why they receive the bulk of the stimulus, and that special emergency bill just last month. no group or company spends more buying political favors. they are not losing their jobs despite the horrible effect the NEA has had on our educational performance. but like any union, it serves its own members needs first and foremost, at the same time they bankrupt their employers and turn out ever inferior products.
a complete national disgrace.



Am I reading that first chart correctly? Seems like the test results are a wee, tiny bit out of proportion with the spendin'. Oh...but wait...what the libs will tell us is that this proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that we need to to spend even more to bring those scores higher.

Boxcar

[Tom]

Looks evident to me that we are not spending our money wisely.
Perhaps we are buying the wrong teachers?

Maybe one from the esteemed left aisle can explain how, given the chart above, more money thrown at the problem will correct it?

Please. Give me 5 minutes get my popcorn.

[slewis]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Here's what I want: The federal government out of education. Let the states handle it.

Well it's a documented fact that you know NOTHING about economics, now your're showing your ignorance regarding education.

I friend of mine relocated to Charlestown WV 10 years ago from affluent Westchester NY. (which has a top tier school system).

After having his kids in school in WV for 7 months, he decided to check their progress vs kids back in NY. He realized very quickly that, not only were they not progressing at the same rate, but they were learning LITTLE if nothing!

He started asking questions in the community only to learn how poorly educated the teachers were and how unimportant education was perceived among the average citizens.

He attended the next town hall meeting and brought up the serious problems with the school system. He suggested raising everyone's property taxes a small percentage to attract better teachers, and stressed how the kids future's were at stake.

He told me after he stated this, he thought he would need a police escort to get out alive.
One guy screamed at him, "take you and your kids and move back to NY, we dont need no fancy education here, our kids are just fine"!

Sure you want to leave education strictly to the states Boxcar?....Or, are ALL the states on the same page regarding education and this story is just an anomaly?

I say better have the Dept of Education monitor the standards on a nationwide level.

[Tom]

I say let the GD Fed protect the border and fix the economy and leave education to the states. The Fed has NO business interfering. They have so far shown just how great they are at it.

[JustRalph]

It's called personal responsibility. Somehow you don't get that from your anecdote? You are a smart guy........ what these guys are saying is that the States should be responsible for their own. If the WV's don't want to pay for it........ they live with it. End of story.

You would never ever think of imposing your brand of culture on another country, would you? But you are against allowing the States to decide for themselves when it comes to Education? Don't impose your expectations for education on those who aren't willing to pay inflated prices for education via Unions and more.

Btw, John Kennedy went to WV during his Presidential campaign and promised to "save them" tons of money have been thrown at Appalachia and very little has changed. Your buddy was being Quixotic in the name Altruism. Noble maybe.....practical ........not so much

Originally Posted by slewis

Well it's a documented fact that you know NOTHING about economics, now your're showing your ignorance regarding education.

I friend of mine relocated to Charlestown WV 10 years ago from affluent Westchester NY. (which has a top tier school system).

After having his kids in school in WV for 7 months, he decided to check their progress vs kids back in NY. He realized very quickly that, not only were they not progressing at the same rate, but they were learning LITTLE if nothing!

He started asking questions in the community only to learn how poorly educated the teachers were and how unimportant education was perceived among the average citizens.

He attended the next town hall meeting and brought up the serious problems with the school system. He suggested raising everyone's property taxes a small percentage to attract better teachers, and stressed how the kids future's were at stake.

He told me after he stated this, he thought he would need a police escort to get out alive.
One guy screamed at him, "take you and your kids and move back to NY, we dont need no fancy education here, our kids are just fine"!

Sure you want to leave education strictly to the states Boxcar?....Or, are ALL the states on the same page regarding education and this story is just an anomaly?

I say better have the Dept of Education monitor the standards on a nationwide level.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by slewis

Well it's a documented fact that you know NOTHING about economics, now your're showing your ignorance regarding education.

I friend of mine relocated to Charlestown WV 10 years ago from affluent Westchester NY. (which has a top tier school system).

After having his kids in school in WV for 7 months, he decided to check their progress vs kids back in NY. He realized very quickly that, not only were they not progressing at the same rate, but they were learning LITTLE if nothing!

He started asking questions in the community only to learn how poorly educated the teachers were and how unimportant education was perceived among the average citizens.

He attended the next town hall meeting and brought up the serious problems with the school system. He suggested raising everyone's property taxes a small percentage to attract better teachers, and stressed how the kids future's were at stake.

He told me after he stated this, he thought he would need a police escort to get out alive.
One guy screamed at him, "take you and your kids and move back to NY, we dont need no fancy education here, our kids are just fine"!

Sure you want to leave education strictly to the states Boxcar?....Or, are ALL the states on the same page regarding education and this story is just an anomaly?

I say better have the Dept of Education monitor the standards on a nationwide level.

The Feds can't monitor the halls in Congress, let alone the education system in the U.S. The graphs posted earlier say it all. What a scathing condemnation on federally funded/controlled education! It would be laughable, if weren't so sad and pathetic. The feds can't find it's butt even with you giving them your helping hand to guide theirs.

And despite what you think I don't know, I do know you should have said "little if anything" not "LITTLE if nothing!" Were you a product of a federally funded education system?

Boxcar

[jballscalls]

this article says private sector jobs are growing and public sector ones are shrinking. isn't that what the con's want??

more private jobs created in 2010 than during the entire previous administration.

i'm sure this is bad news though, one thing i've learned about the left and the right, they can spin anything to look bad or good, depending on what side their on.


http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08...re-bush-years/

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by boxcar

The Feds can't monitor the halls in Congress, let alone the education system in the U.S. The graphs posted earlier say it all. What a scathing condemnation on federally funded/controlled education! It would be laughable, if weren't so sad and pathetic. The feds can't find it's butt even with you giving them your helping hand to guide theirs.

And despite what you think I don't know, I do know you should have said "little if anything" not "LITTLE if nothing!" Were you a product of a federally funded education system?

Boxcar

What the graph proves is how gullible you guys are. The increase in the cost of providing an education is about the same as the increase in the cost of everything else. In 1970 gas was 36 cents a gallon. Yesterday I paid $2.99. A stamp was 6 cents; now it's 44. Bread was 44 cents; today its over $3.00

Everything is five times or more what it was in 1970, so it stands to reason that the cost of an educaton would be five times or more what it was then.

You seem to think 5 times the cost should equal five times the improvement. But the scales are totally different. An individual may learn to read five times better than he did previously, (Although he would have to be a real underacheiver to begin with) but if you take a total population in which many are already proficient, progress will be measured in small increments.
In other words, if the average reading score is one year above grade level nationwide, it would take an increase to five years above grade level to achieve a 500% increase. There is a human limit to such things.