Trump signs tariffs

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by fast4522

Look at it like this, it is going to get much worse, mostly for them.

Oh, no worries then. Who cares about a 10-15% increase in the cost of living here as long as we know that things are a lot worse in the EU?

[fast4522]

Stop being a drama queen, the world is going to be a much safer place.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by fast4522

Stop being a drama queen, the world is going to be a much safer place.

Especially after we end the ever looming threat to our national security from all those imported Japanese tires and German mufflers.

And it's not drama, it's satire, pointing out the absurdity of thinking that our government can micromanage the economy and get better results than the market.

The government's job is to provide a safe environment for that to happen, not to decide what is fair or not fair in private transactions.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Clocker

I guess they showed us. The US puts punitive taxes on its consumers who buy imported goods the administration doesn't like, so our trading partners retaliate with punitive taxes on their citizens. The blind leading the blind.

Nationalism does funny things.

Economic forces don't care about nationalism though.

[fast4522]

Look, Reckless is right and your all wet. What you globalist have done over the last 30 to 40 years has been nothing other than obscene. Like Reckless I was with President Trump as my first choice for President, so your wasting time is for not.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by fast4522

What you globalist have done over the last 30 to 40 years has been nothing other than obscene.

Please tell us how much your standard of living has deteriorated in that time because of international trade.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Nationalism does funny things.

It just seems that way, because they know what is good for you, and you don't.

[fast4522]

It is not about a person's standard of living, it is about having all the stairs there in place for anyone to climb. Removing a few stairs that impedes the average Joe does not seem like such a big deal if it helps the world in your mind, to that I say it is a mind that is a progressive cesspool. You make such hay about the people who are going to pay 10 to 15 % more, I say not the little people who are just getting by. YOU have a dog in the race, YOU will be impacted paying more for that European luxury car. In the end Europe has to pay more for its own security, the free ride is over. We will not subsidize their socialist system, what something looks like today is not what it will look like tomorrow. The bitching your doing is all for not, your just one flea in this mass expanse we call life. When you return to the dirt it will be like that you were never here in the first place as it should be. It is nice that you believe in this stuff because it is something to do, and that is it. The same can be said for me, but I'll tell you what made this country great is not what your pushing.

[johnhannibalsmith]

yes

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by fast4522

You make such hay about the people who are going to pay 10 to 15 % more, I say not the little people who are just getting by.

At the risk of repeating myself, Trump's campaign people said that his tariffs would increase the cost of living in this country by 10-15%. And it is exactly the "little people who are just getting by" that will pay for it.

Who the hail gets hurt when the total cost of living goes up? It sure isn't the guy that can afford a "European luxury car", it's the working stiff getting by from paycheck to paycheck.

You keep arguing these issues without understanding them. The cost of living means the basic cost of food and housing. That's who gets hurt when the cost of basic stuff goes up. It affects not only their expenses, but their jobs when their employer has to cut back. Tens of thousands of installers will be laid off because tariffs on solar panels will cut the demand. You think those guys are driving a "European luxury car"?

[fast4522]

As the economy heats up prices will go up anyway, no one cares if we upset the apple cart for China or Europe. No more give us you poor and stupid and lame, keep them and feel the duties and tariffs we equally impose on you. Several years ago I bitched about taxes paid by small business to who I forget, but today President Trump corrected that problem. Two years from now will you still be fighting against fair trade, my guess is you will be like that guy arguing with me about taxes and small business. Give it a few years, you have NO choice anyway.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by fast4522

Several years ago I bitched about taxes paid by small business to who I forget, but today President Trump corrected that problem. Two years from now will you still be fighting against fair trade, my guess is you will be like that guy arguing with me about taxes and small business. Give it a few years, you have NO choice anyway.

Doubt it.

Pretty sure Clocker and I aren't fans of taxes.

That's part of the reason why we don't like tariffs.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by fast4522

Two years from now will you still be fighting against fair trade

Trade is between two parties. If those two parties agree to the trade, they must think it is fair. By what right does anyone else claim to have a say in the matter? Why is it your business or that of anyone else, including His Majesty The Donald, to question that?

The very idea of Trump determining or imposing his will on what is a fair trade between private parties is even more inane and asinine than Obama claiming to know what is a fair share of taxes for everyone to pay.

[incoming]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Doubt it.

Pretty sure Clocker and I aren't fans of taxes.

That's part of the reason why we don't like tariffs.

You are all for tariffs as long as they are placed on American goods and services.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by incoming

You are all for tariffs as long as they are placed on American goods and services.

If other countries place tariffs on American goods and services, the biggest losers are the citizens of those countries. American providers of those goods and services also lose to some extent. I am certainly not in favor of that.

But to "retaliate" by putting tariffs on goods and services from those countries greatly punishes American consumers, and rarely corrects the initial problem.

Canada has crazy tariffs on American dairy products. The US responding with crazy tariffs on Canadian lumber hurts American lumber users (who have no alternative to Canadian lumber) without resolving the original problem.