Epidemiologist: Why Lockdowns Are The Wrong Policy

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by hcap

Sweden vs. New Zealand: How 2 coronavirus approaches had drastically different outcomes

Do you think winter vs. summer might have effect on outcomes?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Yes, Sweden is about to disappear from the map...they've done themselves in...poor bastards...

Before it does disappear, I thought an illustration of contrasting approaches would be useful.

New Zealand with an early smart strong lock down, very few cases and fatalities, Sweden with only 1/2 way mitigation measures and a doubtful "herd immunity" theory, mucho cases and deaths.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by AndyC

Do you think winter vs. summer might have effect on outcomes?

Only slightly.
It has been autumn in new Zealand. The human approaches to the disease are the dividing factors

[Redboard]

https://www.the-sun.com/news/762501/...bs-right-move/

SWEDEN'S lead epidemiologist has admitted that their infamous relaxed response to the coronavirus pandemic was a bad idea as the country recorded 790 new infections today.

Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell said too little was done to protect people in care homes but still doesn't think that keeping pubs open was the wrong thing to do as Sweden had its two highest single day infections within a week.

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by Redboard

https://www.the-sun.com/news/762501/...bs-right-move/

SWEDEN'S lead epidemiologist has admitted that their infamous relaxed response to the coronavirus pandemic was a bad idea as the country recorded 790 new infections today.

Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell said too little was done to protect people in care homes but still doesn't think that keeping pubs open was the wrong thing to do as Sweden had its two highest single day infections within a week.

A little misleading. He said the big mistake was not taking better care of the elderly. He didn't say that not locking down was a mistake.

[Tom]

That data needs to be filtered.
Just having a lot of case is not good enough.

How many of those case came in nursing homes?
How many came from contact in stores, bars, etc?

Much more info is needed.

[Redboard]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidni.../#51796fa42324

Looks like around 45% of the deaths were in nursing homes.

The story isn't over yet and Sweden could end up not any worse than it's Nordic neighbors, when it's all said and done. As of now though, it looks like a big mistake especially if they come out with a vaccine or cure in the near future.

[garyscpa]

Originally Posted by AndyC

Do you think winter vs. summer might have effect on outcomes?

No, he doesn't think.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by Redboard

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidni.../#51796fa42324

Looks like around 45% of the deaths were in nursing homes.

The story isn't over yet and Sweden could end up not any worse than it's Nordic neighbors, when it's all said and done. As of now though, it looks like a big mistake especially if they come out with a vaccine or cure in the near future.

45%, thats it, here is arizona its 60%.

[Rutgers]

Originally Posted by hcap

Only slightly.
It has been autumn in new Zealand. The human approaches to the disease are the dividing factors

What about the depleted ozone over New Zealand?

Do you think that may have an impact on both the population in New Zealand and the virus?

Of course, neither country has reached herd immunity and/or a vaccine, so it is probably a little early to call one approach better than the other.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Rutgers

What about the depleted ozone over New Zealand?

Do you think that may have an impact on both the population in New Zealand and the virus?

Of course, neither country has reached herd immunity and/or a vaccine, so it is probably a little early to call one approach better than the other.

I hear New Zealanders carry heavy umbrellas to shield themselves from the increases in the amount of ultraviolet (UV) radiation.

[hcap]

This thread, started 1 month ago, one of a dozen by the pandemic minimizes, deniers, jumped the gun claiming Sweden was the way to go even if it meant a few more deaths and suffering. "We must look at contrarian theories opposed to the mainstream epidemiology" claimed all the far righties who normally hated the progressive socialist Sweden, now loved Sweden a bunch.


A few hours ago this........

Sweden recorded the most coronavirus deaths in Europe per capita over the last week, according to data
https://www.businessinsider.com/swed...-report-2020-5

Sweden’s death toll unnerves its Nordic neighbours
Denmark, Finland and Norway look at maintaining travel restrictions even as they prepare to open up to others
https://www.ft.com/content/46733256-...0-8cce9d4095e4



When this thread started I posted an apples to apples comparison. A bit over a month ago 04-21-2020, countering this half baked notion.

Sweden slow to adopt Covid-19 mitigation measures
https://www.pharmaceutical-technolog...d-19-measures/



Evidently, the pandemic deniers struck out big time. The mainstream called it

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by hcap

This thread, started 1 month ago, one of a dozen by the pandemic minimizes, deniers, jumped the gun claiming Sweden was the way to go even if it meant a few more deaths and suffering. "We must look at contrarian theories opposed to the mainstream epidemiology" claimed all the far righties who normally hated the progressive socialist Sweden, now loved Sweden a bunch.


A few hours ago this........

Sweden recorded the most coronavirus deaths in Europe per capita over the last week, according to data
https://www.businessinsider.com/swed...-report-2020-5

Sweden’s death toll unnerves its Nordic neighbours
Denmark, Finland and Norway look at maintaining travel restrictions even as they prepare to open up to others
https://www.ft.com/content/46733256-...0-8cce9d4095e4



When this thread started I posted an apples to apples comparison. A bit over a month ago 04-21-2020, countering this half baked notion.

Sweden slow to adopt Covid-19 mitigation measures
https://www.pharmaceutical-technolog...d-19-measures/



Evidently, the pandemic deniers struck out big time. The mainstream called it

Can I surmise from your graph that Sweden has had fewer deaths per million overall while still maintaining their economy vis-a-vis the UK?

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Can I surmise from your graph that Sweden has had fewer deaths per million overall while still maintaining their economy vis-a-vis the UK?

What do you mean by "maintaining their economy"?


"Data released from the Sweden's central bank and a leading Swedish think tank show that the economy will be just as badly hit as its European neighbors.
Sweden’s central bank, the Riksbank, gave two possible scenarios for the economic outlook in 2020, both are bleak."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sweden-...ay-11588870062

I don't like looking at stats unless I know what I'm looking at. For instance, they are considered a knowledge economy, so many people work in office and can work from home. Also Sweden has one of the highest shares of one-person households in the world (24%). Its fatality rate per capita is higher than in the United States but their total cases per million is lower than the other countries around it, but they also haven't tested as much. .

What I see a lot of here is people "slinging around numbers" without any effort to detangle them. Why is that acceptable?

[FakeNameChanged]

Originally Posted by clicknow

What do you mean by "maintaining their economy"?


"Data released from the Sweden's central bank and a leading Swedish think tank show that the economy will be just as badly hit as its European neighbors.
Sweden’s central bank, the Riksbank, gave two possible scenarios for the economic outlook in 2020, both are bleak."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sweden-...ay-11588870062

I don't like looking at stats unless I know what I'm looking at. For instance, they are considered a knowledge economy, so many people work in office and can work from home. Also Sweden has one of the highest shares of one-person households in the world (24%). Its fatality rate per capita is higher than in the United States but their total cases per million is lower than the other countries around it, but they also haven't tested as much. .

What I see a lot of here is people "slinging around numbers" without any effort to detangle them. Why is that acceptable?

Sweden belongs to EU, and exports 46% of its GDP. Of course they're hurting too. How could they not be?