Closers on the Turf

[Tom]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME POSITION IS NOT ENERGY DISTRIBUTION.

Many horses POSITIONED up front are, in fact, late energy runners.

Tiger Willie 4th race yesterday, positionally close up on the inner.

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FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, "CLOSERS" REFERS TO POSITION, NOT ENERGY DISTRIBUTION. READ THE THREAD TITLE.

[Dahoss9698]

The ironic thing is the mental patient was talking about people agonizing over minutia while missing the big picture. Which is exactly what he is doing. This is basic stuff.

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

You have no idea what you are talking about. You're just throwing out stuff that has nothing to do with the discussion. Like yesterday when you were touting MTO runners in turf races. It's funny to watch and all, but come on man. Get a grip.

Maybe a few days away from the computer to recharge the batteries could help.

I would like to see the quote where I specifically stated that main track only runners do anything as I never make the distinction as to that categorization....That is news to me

[46zilzal]

There are hundreds and hundreds of people using an ALTERNATE definition of closer and they do very well with it.

The word does not have a single meaning like many in the English language.

[Charlie D]

Zilly

A question. Are those numbers you use unadjusted or adjusted to take into account varying surface conditions caused by moisture??

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

it would be nice to know what that abbreviation means.

Rule of writing in English composition 1a: The use of abbreviations is only acceptable after ONCE establishing what those letters stand for

You've never seen the abbreviation MTO? Follow the sport much?

You're a smart guy so take some guesses and if you get it right you get a ribbon or some kind of reward.

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

You've never seen the abbreviation MTO? Follow the sport much?

You're a smart guy so take some guesses and if you get it right you get a ribbon or some kind of reward.

I figured it out...I never look at it so it took awhile.

The horses that run are the horses that run. Those are the ones evaluated. I never make a distinction. A horse in the race is looked at as a horse in the race no matter if it was entered to run under special conditions or not

[GaryG]

You can save a lot of time by not evaluating MTO entries on the grass.

[46zilzal]

enough....as per usual in this game...you go your way and do what works for you.....I will go my way and do what works for me. There are no rights or wrongs only differences since the game started.

[cj]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

I figured it out...I never look at it so it took awhile.

The horses that run are the horses that run. Those are the ones evaluated. I never make a distinction. A horse in the race is looked at as a horse in the race no matter if it was entered to run under special conditions or not

Its like a Twilight Zone episode. You can discuss MTO runners and how they'll do in a TURF race all you like, but it is pretty moronic because they are never going to be in the race if it is on turf.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

I figured it out...I never look at it so it took awhile.

The horses that run are the horses that run. Those are the ones evaluated. I never make a distinction. A horse in the race is looked at as a horse in the race no matter if it was entered to run under special conditions or not

There you go. I knew you could figure it out.

My point is, it makes no sense to evaluate MTO runners in a race that is on the turf. It really makes no sense to tout a MTO horse in a turf race, especially after said horse has been scratched because the race stayed on the turf.

Then again, when you never make distinctions for surfaces, track condition, etc, what's the point really?

[markgoldie]

Originally Posted by GaryG

You can save a lot of time by not evaluating MTO entries on the grass.

As it turns out, I cover this in my forthcoming book on thoroughbred handicapping in chapter 12. The chapter is entitled: "A foolproof method for assessing the winning probabilities of scratched horses."

[Market Mover]

Originally Posted by xfile

What a beautiful late surge Velazquez made with PLEASANT STRIKE today. Nice overlay.

or Leparoux in the last from back of the pack, closing out the p6 w a chalky last two races that paid handsomely

[Tom]

MTO = Main turf only?

[lsosa54]

MTO..."Main track only". Turf races occasionally include "main track only" entrants. They will be added into the field if the race is taken off the turf and scratches can accommodate them.

Not meant for you, Tom!