Well turns out Maria Borell is just a terrible human being...

[Grits]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Grits isn't being an apologist. She's asking members on here to conduct themselves with more grace. If you have to ask, then she's talking to you.

Thank you, Tucker, I appreciate your comment.

I made no apology whatsoever. None. Perhaps Track Phantom should read more closely.

...I can wait.

A man elevates himself when all he has to do with his time is write online...f*** her, f*** her father, her family, someone, anyone, everyone. What a stellar and mature solution; one that will, no doubt, cause her to come forward!

As Cosmic noted, the Horse Capital of the World has some of the poorest statutes in the U.S. in regard to animal abuse and neglect. But no one finds this problematic? There's an answer in tightening these laws.

When Ms.Borell had Run Happy pulled from her. I said nothing as I'm not prone to bandwagons or moving in haste. Not ever. I don't think like others. I think for myself, regardless, the topic.

Carry on, gentlemen.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

Just saw this from the PaulickReport and a very good read which brings up a lot of info other than the obvious need to rescue these animals.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...tarved-horses/

THIS piece was outstanding; great information. Thank you for posting the link, Whodo!

[castaway01]

Anyone who has ever read the comments about an animal abuse case online knows that a lot of people love animals and hate to see them suffer. What Borell did to these animals is just as bad if not worse than most of those cases. I have no sympathy for her, and no desire to speak kindly or politely so as not to offend her delicate sensibilities. The idea that she's mentally unstable---um, yeah, sort of goes without saying. I'd imagine most child abusers, animal abusers, rapists, etc. are mentally unstable. If seeing the state of those animals didn't bother her, I don't imagine our words will.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by Grits

.. There's an answer in tightening these laws.

...

At the very least they ought to attempt to find a balance where it isn't a choice between skating on what amounts to simple battery or hanging for a murder charge. Doing the right thing by the horse through intervention shouldn't benefit the alleged abuser even more.

[Track Phantom]

Originally Posted by castaway01

Anyone who has ever read the comments about an animal abuse case online knows that a lot of people love animals and hate to see them suffer. What Borell did to these animals is just as bad if not worse than most of those cases. I have no sympathy for her, and no desire to speak kindly or politely so as not to offend her delicate sensibilities. The idea that she's mentally unstable---um, yeah, sort of goes without saying. I'd imagine most child abusers, animal abusers, rapists, etc. are mentally unstable. If seeing the state of those animals didn't bother her, I don't imagine our words will.

Best post I've read on here!

[Donttellmeshowme]

Has she been arrested yet?

[outofthebox]

What aggravates me the most is all the instagram posting of herself lying with Runhappy in that stall of beautiful shavings, while knowingly she was starving her horses and they were forced to sleep in their own stall of manure and urine.

[Baron Star Gregg]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

Yes, her selfish intent and intent to con others is what irks me, of course behind the #1 issue:

Poor innocent, warm souled animals were tortured to a slow death/terrible life FOR SELFISH REASONS.

Inexcusable. Unless of course the FBI investigates and she changes her last name to Clinton......

This subject is far beyond crass political nonsense.

[chadk66]

she should be forced to sleep in her urine and feces

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

I think it's pretty easy to say her and the father are con artists/grifters. ...

I was thinking the same because I'm very leery of scammers. Grifters and cons have no problem of moving around because they usually have nothing and can just pick up when things don't go as planned. They usually think they're smarter than most and it's always about the money with these types of people.

I previously asked "how much did they charge these owners to board and take care of their horses"? If it was $500 per that's $20k p/mo. and It probably was for only a couple months since that's probably how long it would take for animals to get to that condition.

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Grits isn't being an apologist. She's asking members on here to conduct themselves with more grace. If you have to ask, then she's talking to you.

Talking about conducting ourselves with more grace is absurd. No one here needs to justify their thoughts about the Borells.

Not only were these two willing to starve their horses, they were pulling all kinds of cons on people like the one owner who was told his mare and foal died in a "tragic paddock accident involving a tractor." The con? The mare and foal were alive and well (as much as a horse can be in Maria's care) and Maria was filing papers to try to take ownership of the horses via liens. Maria even had the mare bred again the next year (stiffing the farm for the stud fee, of course), and the owner has no clue that his pregnant mare and her foal are alive and in Harrodsburg, Kentucky.

We don't owe anything to the Borells, so the "grace" talk is misguided.

[SuperPickle]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

I was thinking the same because I'm very leery of scammers. Grifters and cons have no problem of moving around because they usually have nothing and can just pick up when things don't go as planned. They usually think they're smarter than most and it's always about the money with these types of people.

I previously asked "how much did they charge these owners to board and take care of their horses"? If it was $500 per that's $20k p/mo. and It probably was for only a couple months since that's probably how long it would take for animals to get to that condition.

I'm 100000000000% convinced that in the upcoming months as we get all the facts this will be the case. I think if you're thinking this is just someone who got in over their head or someone who has a mental issue or a substance abuse issue you're being naive.

I think you're going to see people come forward saying they gave money for the care of these animals. I think you're going to see people swindled out of their horses. I think you're going to see multiple claims of ownership. I think you're going to see some horses just vanished or are unaccounted for.

Dismissing her as an addict or mentally ill is selling her short. She knew what she was doing. Remember when she was fired and Mac came out and said she never really trained Runhappy? And everyone backed her. Then she went and worked for Drawing Away. And after Drawing Away (where she didn't win a race) it basically came out she didn't have a clue how to train a horse? So how could someone who clearly had no idea what she was doing take an injured young horse and make him into a Breeders Cup winner?

In hindsight nothing this woman ever said was true.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by Fager Fan

Talking about conducting ourselves with more grace is absurd. No one here needs to justify their thoughts about the Borells.

Not only were these two willing to starve their horses, they were pulling all kinds of cons on people like the one owner who was told his mare and foal died in a "tragic paddock accident involving a tractor." The con? The mare and foal were alive and well (as much as a horse can be in Maria's care) and Maria was filing papers to try to take ownership of the horses via liens. Maria even had the mare bred again the next year (stiffing the farm for the stud fee, of course), and the owner has no clue that his pregnant mare and her foal are alive and in Harrodsburg, Kentucky.

We don't owe anything to the Borells, so the "grace" talk is misguided.

I'm flabbergasted that you have no idea what grace means in the context of this conversation. It's about conducting oneself in a thread with class and dignity, and not get down into the mud with the worms and snakes. Wishing or hoping someone commits suicide would be lacking grace. Same as asking a poster to die in a fire. By now, we ALL have a good idea Borell is a bad apple. Why do you feel the need to lower yourself to her level of discourse to show disapproval of her actions?

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by Baron Star Gregg

This subject is far beyond crass political nonsense.

It was a joke. I am almost never in off topic AND I am a proven animal lover on here. Lighten up please.

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by tucker6

I'm flabbergasted that you have no idea what grace means in the context of this conversation. It's about conducting oneself in a thread with class and dignity, and not get down into the mud with the worms and snakes. Wishing or hoping someone commits suicide would be lacking grace. Same as asking a poster to die in a fire. By now, we ALL have a good idea Borell is a bad apple. Why do you feel the need to lower yourself to her level of discourse to show disapproval of her actions?

No one wished her to commit suicide. Someone speculated that after all this came out, it could put her in the mental state to commit suicide similar to the way the person in the Asmussen barn committed suicide after the PETA expose. Huge difference, and not a hint of lacking grace.

And where did I lower myself to Borell's level?