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Old 09-16-2018, 11:58 AM   #16
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California's problem is that its tracks are small compared with tracks in other parts of the country.

Maybe a new track can be built with specifications like this, as I have posted here previously:


Main Track

1 1/4 mile symmetrical oval (straightaways 1,650 feet, turns 1,650 feet each)
Distance from last turn to finish line = 1,320 feet
Distance from finish line to first turn = 330 feet
Backstretch chute = 1 1/16 miles
"Ellis Park" chute = 1 1/8 miles
"Nursery Course" chute = 3 furlongs
Canterbury Park "nub chute" = 4 furlongs (660 feet long, stem of chute at 7/16 pole, at 108-degree angle)
For 1 3/16 mile races, run-up is 150 feet; horses loaded into gate from the outside in rather than the inside out (see 1 1/4 mile races on the dirt at Belmont) with temporary "mini-rail" guiding the horses onto the clubhouse turn at the appropriate angle
Width of track = 120 feet throughout


Outer Turf Course

1 1/8 mile oval (straightaways 1,650 feet, turns 1,320 feet each)
Distance from last turn to finish line = 1,320 feet
Distance from finish line to first turn = 330 feet
Outside rail of Outer Turf Course = 18 feet inside of inside rail of Main Track (same as Laurel)
Width of course = 87 feet throughout


Inner Turf Course

6 1/2 furlong oval (straightaways 1,320 feet, turns 825 feet each)
Distance from last turn to finish line = 990 feet
Distance from finish line to first turn = 330 feet
Outside rail of Inner Turf Course = 20.6 feet inside of inside rail of Outer Turf Course
9/10 mile (7 furlongs, 132 feet - same as Golden Gate Fields and formerly, same as Santa Anita) course with inner rail set at 73 feet, allowing 5 furlongs and 1 1/2 mile races
One chute = at 1/4 mile pole, for 1 mile 70 yards and 1 1/16 mile races on 6 1/2 furlong course
Width of course = 73 feet on 6 1/2 furlong course and 64 feet on 9/10 mile course


With a 120-foot-wide main track that can accommodate very large fields, and a long stretch which should prevent any ridiculous speed bias, and every distance able to be run on both dirt and turf, such a track is bound to be a huge success.
All 3 of our tracks have space limitations. Los Al is pushed all the way back to the property line. Del Mar has a hill behind the far turn and the fairgrounds buildings on the clubhouse turn. Santa Anita has a hill behind the backstretch and far turn and the property line and the street behind the 7 furlong chute.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:47 PM   #17
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I don't have the data base to do this particular study, but I wonder if a cutback from a 2 turn mile to a one turn 6 or 6 1/2 furlong race is more effective than a cutback from a 1 turn mile to the popular sprint distances. It's obviously a more pronounced change and would seem to require a more pronounced change in strategy, I'd think.

I've always looked at change as an inducement of price. The more change a horse is encountering, the more likelihood for inflated prices.
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Old 09-16-2018, 11:09 PM   #18
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At the old Green Mountain Race Track, which could conceivably be making a comeback, the turns were a mere 706 feet around.

Please expand on this.
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Old 09-18-2018, 04:03 PM   #19
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You need to check their filings with the CHRB for the exact numbers, but it's approximately 7 furlongs and 130 yards around, with less than 100 yards run into the first turn. That short run into the turn is a common feature of bullrings, which is what Los Al is.
110 yards is one sixteenth of a mile. So the track is 60 feet longer than 7.5 furlongs.
In feet. 5280 is one mile.....7 furlongs is 4620 feet. the length of Los Al is that much plus 350 feet....or 4970 feet or 310 feet less than a full mile.
The drf site no longer supports their track diagram page.
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Please expand on this.
That track was 13/16ths of a mile.
Or 6 .5 furlongs.
I think the figure may refer to the turn radius
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Old 09-18-2018, 04:27 PM   #21
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The best solution is to combine SoCal and NorCal into 1 circuit, which was status quo 1938-1967.

The second best solution is to take a break from November 15-December 25.
Agree and agree.
This No Cal/So Cal thing ain't working
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This would do absolutely nothing.
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