Donald Trump

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by reckless

Trump said it best -- as has been the case since this GOP presidential campaign began -- in the very first volley from the Fox 'journalists' asking him about his immigration theme -- when he said, and I paraphrase: 'you never would have asked this question if I didn't bring this issue up in the first place. You would have ignored it.'

He may have raised the issue, but his "solutions" are nuts.

He wants to build a huge wall on the border, paid for by Mexico. He can't say how he would get Mexico to pay for it. But they have to, according to Trump, because the Mexican government official policy is to force their criminals to illegally immigrate to the US. Asked how he knows that this is the official policy, he says that some border patrol people told him.

Even worse is his plan to deal with the illegals already here. He says that he would deport all 11 million (or 20 million or however many there are) and then sent up an expedited process to let the "good ones" come back in legally. The costs and logistics of implementing such a plan would be massive. And it would virtually destroy the lives of the millions of illegals that he claims are the "good ones" and that he thinks are good for the country.

[reckless]

Originally Posted by Clocker

He may have raised the issue, but his "solutions" are nuts.

He wants to build a huge wall on the border, paid for by Mexico. He can't say how he would get Mexico to pay for it. But they have to, according to Trump, because the Mexican government official policy is to force their criminals to illegally immigrate to the US. Asked how he knows that this is the official policy, he says that some border patrol people told him.

Even worse is his plan to deal with the illegals already here. He says that he would deport all 11 million (or 20 million or however many there are) and then sent up an expedited process to let the "good ones" come back in legally. The costs and logistics of implementing such a plan would be massive. And it would virtually destroy the lives of the millions of illegals that he claims are the "good ones" and that he thinks are good for the country.

Building a wall and having Mexico pay for it isn't that difficult, actually. Didn't Ford Motor announce in April they are building a manufacturing plant in Mexico, spending about $2.5 billion? I don't know the number but many, many blue collar jobs in the US will go away. How is that good for the economy? Well, if Ford wants those cars sold to US citizens, then a tax (tariff) could be implemented. Ford, in turn, will lean on Mexico to ante up some moolah too.

Wall is now paid for. And this goes to every US based company that leaves and closes US manufacturing plants, fires workers and relocates to Mexico and other 3rd world countries. That's one way to handle that problem.

Sealing the border and deporting illegals is a great and important first step.

This act alone --actually it is in the US Constitution to protect our borders and sovereignty and provide security for its citizens-- will save lives in the streets and financially save the now overburdened budgets of states, cities and local communities.

It will also keep our schools, hospitals and health care facilities reasonably solvent. This invasion by illegals in this country has cost US citizens quality education and health care, jobs, safety, security and a 'future' for all American citizens.

Why are the illegal, uneducated, unskilled invader --who totally and fully refuse to assimilate-- considered more important than the US citizen and our own children?

How come progressives, liberals, Democrats and way too many Republicans need to provide for illegal 'Dreamers' unconditionally, yet just as equally ignore those US citizens' children who also want and 'dream' of a bright and happy future as well?

American Lives matter!

[Tom]

Build it here, sell it here.
Build it there, sell it there.

HIGH tarrifs on all cars built outside the borders.
Protect the REAL American car makers, Toyota, Honda, and Subaru.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by reckless

Sealing the border and deporting illegals is a great and important first step.

What is the point of deporting illegals and then expediting their legal return?

When they come back, they will be in a much worse economic situation than before, and much more willing to work for less and take more American jobs.

[lamboguy]

some poll today has Trump at 31%. its going to be pretty tough to stop him from getting the nomination now no matter what Fox News or the Koch Bros. want. to stop him they are going to have to put up money for all these other stiffs to stay in the race. i guess that's how you can stop him, lets see if they put up their cash now.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by Clocker

What is the point of deporting illegals and then expediting their legal return?

When they come back, they will be in a much worse economic situation than before, and much more willing to work for less and take more American jobs.

More importantly, who will manicure my lawn and clean my toilets while they are gone? These things don't just happen by themselves.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by TJDave

More importantly, who will manicure my lawn and clean my toilets while they are gone? These things don't just happen by themselves.

There will be a lot of American citizens willing to do that once the $15/hour minimum wage goes into effect.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by Clocker

There will be a lot of American citizens willing to do that once the $15/hour minimum wage goes into effect.

I pay more than that now.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

some poll today has Trump at 31%. its going to be pretty tough to stop him from getting the nomination now no matter what Fox News or the Koch Bros. want. to stop him they are going to have to put up money for all these other stiffs to stay in the race. i guess that's how you can stop him, lets see if they put up their cash now.

It is still early enough for him to crash and burn, my gut feeling is he will not.
The other day at the shop an Asian guy said he was voting for Trump, previously he was heard many times that he does not vote. The question is if this is an anomaly that makes folks think this is their last chance?

[Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Clocker

There will be a lot of American citizens willing to do that once the $15/hour minimum wage goes into effect.

There is no $15 minimum wage now and in in future that would depend on real value.

Real value counts.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Buckeye

There is no $15 minimum wage now and in in future that would depend on real value.

Real value counts.

I was being sarcastic. The minimum wage for cash day labor is, and always will be, $0.

[Buckeye]

What is the real value of the American Dream?

Hint, it has nothing to do with fairness. Conquest yes fairness no.

[FantasticDan]

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[Buckeye]

Not too funny Fantastic.

Chained to the stove, barefoot and pregnant would be more so.

Want to know the facts? Top of the food chain?

I guess you can name a Founding Mother?

The American Dream is the subject.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Clocker

There will be a lot of American citizens willing to do that once the $15/hour minimum wage goes into effect.

There are a lot of them who should be FORCED to do them now, at the doing rate, or give up their free ride.