*Handicapping Methods-Spot Play Testing-Software Etc

[NorCalGreg]

Originally Posted by lansdale

Thanks for clarifying, Light -- you're right. Now if this program can continue to produce a 30% ROI for another, say 2.5k races, I might take a look.

Cheers,

lansdale

You want proven 30% ROI...over a 2500 race sample..from a $35 program...and you just MIGHT take a look?

I know you're kidding lansdale...some of the board trolls are in fine form tonight and especially irritating for some reason

[Racey]

thoughts on here lately a shame really no program has received such lavish praise on here ever.....even though it is well priced it like any program has to answer questions / or criticisim simply a fact. NCG has put out a product that appears to use sound pace ideas with the Bris E1 & E2 and it has interesting spot plays it has received lavish praise on this site. Not sure how the promotion of this software could be any better....people seem to not get the fact that like any new software or idea everyone has the right to question it. I spoke of praise for Pandy & DRF handicapper KENNY PECK and the PROPER USE OF the Pace Ace Symbols nobody on here knows Kenny Peck & 99% have no idea how the symbols work or the power of race flow my point is it is fair to believe that we have good ideas out there we should embrace all the information and make our own judgement .

[Light]

Originally Posted by NorCalGreg

We'll see about getting the trolls out of here--you have no intention of buying this software yet you tally up the results daily. At least add correctly--thanks.

Get over yourself. What reason would I have to knock you? I don't know you nor care to after seeing your completely insecure reaction of jumping to conclusions of paranoia.

Realize I am not criticizing you as a person. I am criticizing the poor results I saw that you posted in this thread. If you separate your identify as a person from your software, your ego won't feel insulted.

[NorCalGreg]

Originally Posted by Light

Get over yourself. What reason would I have to knock you? I don't know you nor care to after seeing your completely insecure reaction of jumping to conclusions of paranoia.

Realize I am not criticizing you as a person. I am criticizing the poor results I saw that you posted in this thread. If you separate your identify as a person from your software, your ego won't feel insulted.

LOL....get lost, troll. I was a lurker here when they ran you off once before.

[Light]

Originally Posted by NorCalGreg

LOL....get lost, troll. I was a lurker here when they ran you off once before.

As I said, I was only inquiring as a potential buyer of your software. And I posted the results of what you picked. You have only yourself to blame for that. But I'm a troll for quoting you? I guess you don't like yourself either.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Light

As I said, I was only inquiring as a potential buyer of your software. And I posted the results of what you picked. You have only yourself to blame for that. But I'm a troll for quoting you? I guess you don't like yourself either.

Is it proven these earlier picks you are so fond of quoting were picks from his software? As I recall, NCG has posted runs using a bunch of different methods, including other people's software.

Is this poor run you're reminding us of often lately, accomplished using Pace-View? It sounds to me like you aren't sure. I'd like to know for sure.

As for EMD, yeah, he's being a complete troll...that nobody can deny.

He is sitting here posting with an obvious anti-software bias, which is just plain stupid. Especially since he has never used your program, never wants to use your program, but for some reason, wants to waste time bashing your program. At least Light is basing his complaints on some numbers posted here...but numbers he seems uncertain where they came from. Maybe we can clarify before we start accusing Light of being a troll. But with EMD, in this instance, there is no doubt.

It smacks of jealousy to me...and if I didn't have it on good authority that EMD is legit in what he says about his wagering prowess, I would never believe he was telling us the truth about himself...he is that rare being who can win at the races, and sound like a total wannabe. Congrats EMD...but nothing to be proud of.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

When you can cap, you shut up about your picks and make money.

You don't follow your own advice. You're constantly talking about your picks. Which is fine. That's what this place is for.

Why are you shitting all over an authorized advertiser, with absolutely no good reason. His software has gotten plenty of good response from a great number of regulars here. Why do you shit all over them too? Are they all shills? Are they liars? Or are they sycophants as you like to constantly remind us? What's wrong with you? Mr. big winner. Yeah, we know. So why not follow your own advice?

[Winger]

Originally Posted by Light

I'm not aware that he has multiple software so maybe I'm mistaken. What I looked up when I was deciding if I should try his software started on post 128 page 9. He had distinguishing lightning bolts on both sides of the "best bets" sign and stated he was starting with a $1000 bankroll. Post 189 shows the bankroll down to $700. After that there is no balance stated with subsequent losing bets which I had to look up for results. Never won one of those best bets.

On post 227 he started another $500 bankroll "best pace plays". That thread also seemed abandoned as on post 260 he says its not working.

These things turned me off from buying his software.

Light, I believe those picks were before Pace-View.

[Winger]

Originally Posted by Winger

Here are tomorrow's consensus chalk picks.

DEL-1 TEMPIETTO - 2/1
DEL-4 UNBLUNTED - 5/2
FLX-3 SING THE DREAM - 8/5
FLX-4 MISCHIEVIOUSLY - 5/2
FLX-8 CRUZIN ON IN - 5/2
FLX-9 GOOD RIDDANZ DRICA - 5/2
MNR-4 GIVE ME LOVE - 1/2
MNR-7 ROSEBUD'S TIGER - 9/5
MNR-8 STREET SWAG - 6/5
PID-8 SALSA DOG - 5/2

These went 6/10 with a 1.45 ROI.

[lansdale]

Originally Posted by NorCalGreg

You want proven 30% ROI...over a 2500 race sample..from a $35 program...and you just MIGHT take a look?

I know you're kidding lansdale...some of the board trolls are in fine form tonight and especially irritating for some reason

No, I'm serious about that number -- anything less is just variance -- luck. You seem unused to criticism of your work, but in most professional fields I'm familiar with, it's a basic and essential aspect of the discipline -- and most professionals don't take it personally -- those who do, don't survive.

In professional gambling, the measure of value is whether your method, system or level of individual talent is +EV -- can it produce a profit? In horserace handicapping, extremely people few can -- thus skepticism toward any new method, system or software is more than justified. The EMD guy may be over the top in his criticism, but one of his points was worth making -- if this software really is that good, why is this guy selling it for $35 -- or as my economics professor use to say, why do we never come across a $100 bill laying on the sidewalk? If some factor(s) in your software really are +EV you are crazy to be selling it for any amount of money. However, it's possible that you don't really understand this.

If your software really is all that, as your supporters here claim, why not have it tested over an acceptable sample size of races -- something that many people on this site already do with their own systems. Jeff Platt is an honest guy who I think did this with some other software - sjk is another guy I would trust. If it's proven to be +EV, you really should stop selling and make as much as you can, as others have suggested. But if you really wanted to continue selling after that, you should be able to sell 1000 copies at 10x the price at least. But if it's not +EV (including rebate) than it's back to the drawing board.

But maybe, as EMD implied, your producet is really intended only for recreational play, something I think you have claimed in some of your posts. If this is the case, then anecdotal 'I won few bucks with this program' promotion is the only validation you need. I think this the question Light and EMD were asking in their own way -- professional or recreational, which kind of program is it?

[Winger]

Only 4 plays tomorrow.

MNR-3 TALK ABOUT KITTEN - 2/1
PID-1 PRETTY SURPRISE - 5/2
PID-5 ANDA - 8/5
PID-7 THE FAZZ MAN - 2/1

[velrui]

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[velrui]

wow that came out ugly anyways bought the software today and was just fooling around and trying to learn the software with 2 win and 6 place and came out ahead 14 dollars like I said I was just playing around trying to figure things out super simple and easy to use thanks a lot and worth 35 all day long thanks again ....

[NorCalGreg]

Originally Posted by velrui

wow that came out ugly anyways bought the software today and was just fooling around and trying to learn the software with 2 win and 6 place and came out ahead 14 dollars like I said I was just playing around trying to figure things out super simple and easy to use thanks a lot and worth 35 all day long thanks again ....

Wow .....almost took up an entire page Glad you like it

[NorCalGreg]

Originally Posted by lansdale

No, I'm serious about that number -- anything less is just variance -- luck. You seem unused to criticism of your work, but in most professional fields I'm familiar with, it's a basic and essential aspect of the discipline -- and most professionals don't take it personally -- those who do, don't survive.

In professional gambling, the measure of value is whether your method, system or level of individual talent is +EV -- can it produce a profit? In horserace handicapping, extremely people few can -- thus skepticism toward any new method, system or software is more than justified. The EMD guy may be over the top in his criticism, but one of his points was worth making -- if this software really is that good, why is this guy selling it for $35 -- or as my economics professor use to say, why do we never come across a $100 bill laying on the sidewalk? If some factor(s) in your software really are +EV you are crazy to be selling it for any amount of money. However, it's possible that you don't really understand this.

If your software really is all that, as your supporters here claim, why not have it tested over an acceptable sample size of races -- something that many people on this site already do with their own systems. Jeff Platt is an honest guy who I think did this with some other software - sjk is another guy I would trust. If it's proven to be +EV, you really should stop selling and make as much as you can, as others have suggested. But if you really wanted to continue selling after that, you should be able to sell 1000 copies at 10x the price at least. But if it's not +EV (including rebate) than it's back to the drawing board.

But maybe, as EMD implied, your producet is really intended only for recreational play, something I think you have claimed in some of your posts. If this is the case, then anecdotal 'I won few bucks with this program' promotion is the only validation you need. I think this the question Light and EMD were asking in their own way -- professional or recreational, which kind of program is it?

My customer above....you know, another guy who actually bought the program and said "I won few bucks with this program' just validated all I need.

And those two people you mentioned weren't "asking" anything----just like you arent "asking" anything with professional or recreational, which kind of program is it? It's $35.00--you tell me.

You say I don't take criticism well? The only criticism I get is from people that have never used the software and have ulterior motives that I can't figure out.

-later

-NCG