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Old 02-15-2018, 10:13 PM   #76
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That post about the AWB is a load of garbage.

If people want to have an educated talk about guns it would help by not demonstrating their complete lack of knowledge with the social media copy and paste stuff.

To this day I've yet to find a decent definition of an assault weapon. HCaps wikipedia link certainly didn't help his case...

An assault rifle is a rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge, has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic/fully automatic fire and a detachable magazine.[1] Assault rifles are currently the standard service rifles in most modern armies.

Using that definition I honestly don't think an assault weapon has been used in ANY mass shooting to date. Maybe that bank robbery in California back in the mid 90s?

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Old 02-15-2018, 10:31 PM   #77
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Dear God, why do you allow such violence in schools?

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Dear Concerned Student, I am not allowed in schools.

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Old 02-15-2018, 10:59 PM   #78
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That post about the AWB is a load of garbage.
Amen!

From what I read, and the video going around, this kid had some experience firing whatever he was firing. I personally don’t think it sounded like an AR-15, but cell phones aren’t exactly the right platform for analyzing the sound.

Personally I believe that these guys using AR-15’s are using the wrong weapon for accomplishing what they want to accomplish. A 12 gauge semi auto shotgun with double 00 buckshot would be more effective all things considered. But they would have a magazine limit.

A well trained shooter with a couple of semi auto pistols might even be more effective because of the available magazines.
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:02 PM   #79
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To this day I've yet to find a decent definition of an assault weapon.
The story, which seems to be true, is that Hitler was impressed with a newly developed rifle and called it the Sturmgewehr or Storm Assault Rifle. The Allies started calling it an assault rifle, and the term entered common usage, but had no specific definition for our military or for gun manufacturers.

Gun grabbers latched on to the term because it sounded evil, especially given the Nazi connection. In short, it doesn't mean anything.

http://www.historicalfirearms.info/p...oined-the-term
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:16 PM   #80
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Will not be that long that the spillover into Canada will be for the good of Canada. Lets hear some good old boy talk Justin "T" to wired to career move

Where amazon is Moving a motion for Massive 1 million acres just for the office space

Plant in U.S.A OF canada

49,999 small business people will suffer.

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Old 02-15-2018, 11:29 PM   #81
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Will not be that long that the spillover into Canada will be for the good of Canada. Lets hear some good old boy talk Justin "T" to wired to career move

Where amazon is Moving a motion for Massive 1 million acres just for the office space

Plant in U.S.A OF canada

49,999 small business people will suffer.
WTF are you talking about????????
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:35 PM   #82
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Amen!

From what I read, and the video going around, this kid had some experience firing whatever he was firing. I personally don’t think it sounded like an AR-15, but cell phones aren’t exactly the right platform for analyzing the sound.

Personally I believe that these guys using AR-15’s are using the wrong weapon for accomplishing what they want to accomplish. A 12 gauge semi auto shotgun with double 00 buckshot would be more effective all things considered. But they would have a magazine limit.

A well trained shooter with a couple of semi auto pistols might even be more effective because of the available magazines.
I'm not an expert, but I believe the .223/5.56MM cartridge was adopted by the military to allow soldiers to carry more rounds, and to wound rather than kill - or at least wound as often as killing - with the idea that wounded soldiers were more overhead than dead ones. That idea doesn't hold true in all parts of the world, of course.

Of course the military held on to the .308/7.62 NATO cartridge for sniper work - when death is the preferred outcome, and round count is less critical.
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WTF are you talking about????????
Have a few Molsons, hoser, it will all become clear to you.
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I'm not an expert, but I believe the .223/5.56MM cartridge was adopted by the military to allow soldiers to carry more rounds, and to wound rather than kill - or at least wound as often as killing - with the idea that wounded soldiers were more overhead than dead ones. That idea doesn't hold true in all parts of the world, of course.

Of course the military held on to the .308/7.62 NATO cartridge for sniper work - when death is the preferred outcome, and round count is less critical.
Right on all counts. Except I think some of our snipers, particularly in extremely long-range operations, have moved on to more powerful calibers than the 7.62.
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:50 PM   #85
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Do daily TV shows with a steady stream of heroes and villains shooting at each other every hour of the day on multiple channels have a numbing effect on our appreciation of life?
And that's just on the VIEW!
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:53 PM   #86
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Dear God, why do you allow such violence in schools?

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OK, you are going to start a lot of trouble with THAT one!


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Nitwit!! We do all those things with guns carried by people who are trained in their use, trained in when to use them, trained in how to defuse situations, trained in how to recognize when a situation is escalating and when it is not. Handing out guns willy nilly to a bunch of vigilantes is the solution of a fool.
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Is it guns?

Or is it our culture and schools?

We've had mass destructive guns dating back to WWII much like the one this kid used. We've never had mass executions in schools until the Columbine massacre in 1999.

Since then, 35 or so mass exections/attempts have happened.

Every single one of those kids/people are merely kids in the grand structure of conversation.

The real question is why? Not guns, but why is it now different than back in 1945? 1950? 1960?

The same stock, or near, was available.

Why did this kid do what he did?
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Old 02-16-2018, 01:18 AM   #90
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Maybe it's all the pharmaceuticals we consume...big pharma is hitting kids like never before with all kinds of drugs to alter and control them in some way...

Maybe it's global warming...

Maybe it's a lack of discipline since that's been pretty much outlawed these days.

Could be any of a number of things, besides guns of course.
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