Let the Lawsuits, Testimonies, Truth-Lettings Begin

[Andy Asaro]

Opinion: Cleaning Out the Ole’ Muck Pit: Let the Lawsuits, Testimonies, Truth-Lettings Begin & Allow the Horseshoes To Fall Were They May

https://thepressboxlts.com/opinion-c...were-they-may/

Excerpt:

Now, for the very first time, the legal team assembled by Churchill Downs, Rankin and Carstanjen will get to depose Baffert and his entire team of assistant trainers, accountants, veterinarians, veterinarian assistants, grooms, hot walkers, night guards, public relations consultants and anyone else that they think may be able to offer some rational explanation for all the positive test results that have occurred in horses housed, cared for, treated and trained by this team. Past. And. Present.

See, when you work for a company that is valued at $8 to $9 billion dollars, you can afford to hire the very best in the legal land to represent your interests and to protect your company’s massive investment in brand and name credibility.

And, I suspect that Churchill Downs’ legal team is developing their strategy on just who they would like to talk to, and the questions they would love to pose.

I suspect Churchill Downs is reaching out to its’ own list of medical experts, who have unquestioned credentials and credibility, to weigh in on testimony for the record.

But just in case they need a little extra help and assistance, we have thought of some questions that we would like to see raised, addressed, and answered, as well.

And, in the name of justice and full transparency for all parties concerned — which I am sure all sides would like to assure the viewing public — we offer this list of possible inquiries for public disclosure:

For the whole story click on the link. https://thepressboxlts.com/opinion-c...were-they-may/

[Dave Schwartz]

Interesting read.

"Ass cream" was funny once, but used too often.

Personally, I think the sarcasm (in the article) - while entertaining - detracts from the potential seriousness of the article.

All in all, a good read.

[burnsy]

In these deals it has a lot to do with the judges rules. I’m no lawyer but I sort of understand how those work from people that are lawyers. First, it will probably drag on past the Derby anyway unless Baffert can have his people push it and the judge agrees. Second, I’m almost certain Churchill will try to present a “ prior track record” which isn’t always a sure thing to allow. That the bottom line of this. They will attempt to portray him as a serial offender . Prior acts are not always allowed in. Then proving if it’s ass cream an injection or ingested becomes less important. They will also press the seriousness of this being the Derby. Which is how this blew up like it did.

[Andy Asaro]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

Interesting read.

"Ass cream" was funny once, but used too often.

Personally, I think the sarcasm (in the article) - while entertaining - detracts from the potential seriousness of the article.

All in all, a good read.

The Author is extremely loyal to Churchill Downs so there's that. I agree with most of what he says. No doubt in my mind that Baffert will make a fool of himself in depositions where unlike softball interviews he'll have to answer tough questions.

[Dave Schwartz]

Originally Posted by burnsy

In these deals it has a lot to do with the judges rules. I’m no lawyer but I sort of understand how those work from people that are lawyers.

I, too, got my Living Room Lawyer degree from watching crime dramas.

(Really just kidding you.)
(But not for me.)
(I also am an Amateur Doctor from watching Grey's Anatomy.)
(But seriously, folks...)

The Author is extremely loyal to Churchill Downs so there's that. I agree with most of what he says. No doubt in my mind that Baffert will make a fool of himself in depositions where unlike softball interviews he'll have to answer tough questions.

I can easily accept your assessment.

I know nothing of the personalities involved - other than the obvious: Baffert is VERY pro-Baffert and has a resources as well.

[BarchCapper]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

Interesting read.

"Ass cream" was funny once, but used too often.

Personally, I think the sarcasm (in the article) - while entertaining - detracts from the potential seriousness of the article.

All in all, a good read.

I seem to remember a corollary to the old Johnny Carson "If they buy the premise they'll buy the bit" line about jokes. It's "Don't do more than 3 jokes on the same premise." I'd think that would apply even more so to the same joke!

[dilanesp]

It's definitely true that with respect to the merits of this litigation, Baffert is going to be exposed to extensive discovery. No way is any judge going to rule his actual medication practices irrelevant in discovery. At best, Baffert might be able to get a protective order where Churchill gets to see it but the world does not.

I can't imagine Baffert wants to go through that. I assume what he is really angling for is a quick injunction pre-discovery thar will allow him to try to run in this year's Derby. Because actually litigating this case is going to give Churchill a ton of information about his actual practices and he can't want that

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by Andy Asaro

The Author is extremely loyal to Churchill Downs so there's that. I agree with most of what he says. No doubt in my mind that Baffert will make a fool of himself in depositions where unlike softball interviews he'll have to answer tough questions.

cant u just plead the 5th?

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

cant u just plead the 5th?

Pleading the 5th (1) only works when you face a criminal accusation, (2) results in a negative inference in the civil suit (essentially, Baffert loses), and (3) can defeated by immunity, i.e., if prosecutors promise not to prosecute, Baffert can be compelled to answer questions under oath about all of his activities.

So no, Baffert won't plead the 5th, at least unless he has given up on getting entries to the Derby and is just trying to avoid prison.

[Andy Asaro]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

Pleading the 5th (1) only works when you face a criminal accusation, (2) results in a negative inference in the civil suit (essentially, Baffert loses), and (3) can defeated by immunity, i.e., if prosecutors promise not to prosecute, Baffert can be compelled to answer questions under oath about all of his activities.

So no, Baffert won't plead the 5th, at least unless he has given up on getting entries to the Derby and is just trying to avoid prison.

Attorneys can only prep him so much. In the heat of the questioning he will lose it. The average person has a tough time in depositions even with the truth on their side let alone an egomaniac who doesn't have the truth on his side.

[Parkview_Pirate]

This wait could be worth it.

Considering how the racing industry has been less than transparent for decades, I'm dubious of lawyers, lawsuits, testimonies and depositions causing truth to be unleashed for a change.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

[jay68802]

Doubt any of this will be made public.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Parkview_Pirate

Considering how the racing industry has been less than transparent for decades, I'm dubious of lawyers, lawsuits, testimonies and depositions causing truth to be unleashed for a change.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

Less than transparent?
SUPERMAN has less trouble through LEAD!

[dontbet chalks]

I'm not a T-bred guy, so a question for all who are.

Do you believe Baffert is and has always been a Juicer????

Thanks

[comet52]

Originally Posted by dontbet chalks

I'm not a T-bred guy, so a question for all who are.

Do you believe Baffert is and has always been a Juicer????

Thanks