Travers Stakes

[GMB@BP]

I think Good Magic would have won the triple crown, at least the first two legs, without Justify in the race, so we would be looking at a 2yo and 3yo champion coming into the race with 5-6 huge wins. I think he is that high in quality, but that doesnt make it a good race.

[LemonSoupKid]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

I think Good Magic would have won the triple crown, at least the first two legs, without Justify in the race, so we would be looking at a 2yo and 3yo champion coming into the race with 5-6 huge wins. I think he is that high in quality, but that doesnt make it a good race.

Given the defection of Hofburg, who at least had an improvement angle shot at it (which is what most have been waiting for), I tend to agree with you. I have yet to handicap this race, but it seems to me there actually might be value in GM as a single in this case. He seems pretty far above and with elevated estimation of races like the Travers where the "graveyard" is thought to be real, this single could be relatively nice for a pick 6 ticket.

He ran on the undercard last year in race 2 Traver's Day [I believe, he got 2nd] when I was (successfully (-: playing the 6).

[classhandicapper]

The defection of Hofburg may make the race unplayable for me. I wasn't going to use him on top at all.

[Afleet]

Irad Ortiz, Jr. named to ride Wonder Gadot; Aidan O’Brien trainee Seahenge redirected to G1 Sword Dancer

[Suff]

The Travers is the mid-summer Derby and Saratoga's Feature race because of the history and all that, you want a nice race. Sucks Hofburg out. Mott said he had a fever a week before the race?

Still,
Travers day , 5 Grade 1's and a Grade 2. Friday, the day before, 7 stakes races.

Even with a weak Travers, this is still the best dope available on the street.

[Mc990]

I think Mendelssohn is a real player in here... anything close to his Dubai effort crushes this field (golden rail notwithstanding).

How quickly his bandwagon has emptied out...

[clicknow]

I'm surprised they are still trying to make a decent race horse out of Vino Rosso, and that jockey is riding him.

Oh well, maybe he's a late bloomer.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by Mc990

I think Mendelssohn is a real player in here... anything close to his Dubai effort crushes this field (golden rail notwithstanding).

How quickly his bandwagon has emptied out...

Mendelssohn will eat dead money. He needs a golden rail to duplicate that effort, and even if he did, these horses are better than anything he faced in Dubai.

[Suff]

Originally Posted by clicknow

I'm surprised they are still trying to make a decent race horse out of Vino Rosso, and that jockey is riding him.

Oh well, maybe he's a late bloomer.

New York gets drunk on its own horses sometimes. Especially when they win a derby prep race in NY. Maybe he's a late bloomer and does Travers to BC and fulfills the dream. But I've seen enough.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by Fuss

New York gets drunk on its own horses sometimes. Especially when they win a derby prep race in NY. Maybe he's a late bloomer and does Travers to BC and fulfills the dream. But I've seen enough.

I've seen enough, too.

But hey, Petrov just won an allowance race and paid pretty well.

Actually, he won an allowance race back in Feb at Oaklawn, too, which didn't pay well. So I guess there is something to be said for true believers who stick it out with their horse, figuring they are bound to win SOMETIMES.

[Robert Fischer]

Vino seems in line for another 'key' 4th/3rd/2nd in the Travers super.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

Vino seems in line for another 'key' 4th/3rd/2nd in the Travers super.

I said I'm done with him. I didn't say he couldn't win.

But so far, he's a borderline lower-level graded stakes horse who managed to win one G2 race in his entire career.

He's run out of the money in two G1s and a G2. He's clunked up for 3rd in an additional G2 and a G3.

For some reason, I think he might do better here. Because he pretty much has to...but can't see any sign that the screws have been tightened? Only reason I can give is that he might be like a Will Take Charge type....late bloomer?

(....and of course, since I'm done with him. You know how THAT happens. )

[GMB@BP]

This race is a little better than I thought, with Mendelssohn and Catholic Boy, horses who have run good races, at least it adds a little bit to it.

I still expect Good Magic to jog in this race I am still a fan of Catholic Boy and he has the ability to compete in this race, 8/1 seems fair enough for me to use him.

[Afleet]

Trigger Warning – Mike Rone – Irwin Rosendo (30-1)
Wonder Gadot – Mark Casse – Irad Ortiz, Jr. (5-1)
Gronkowski – Chad Brown – Joel Rosario (4-1)
Bravazo – D. Wayne Lukas – Luis Saez (12-1)
Vino Rosso – Todd Pletcher – John Velazquez (10-1)
Meistermind – Steve Asmussen – Manny Franco (30-1)
King Zachary – Dale Romans – Robby Albarado (15-1)
Mendelssohn – Aidan O'Brien – Ryan Moore (12-1)
Good Magic – Chad Brown – Jose Ortiz (2-1)
Tenfold – Steve Asmussen – Ricardo Santana, Jr. (8-1)
Catholic Boy – Jonathan Thomas – Javier Castellano (8-1)

Both Chad Brown horses lowest odds on the ML. Gronkowski 7 4 2 0 $415,644-solid record

[Grits]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

I think Good Magic wins by a very easy 5 lengths and doesnt have to work all that hard to do it.

Sorry, I'm here, and I don't see his stablemate letting this happen! No way after his work this past Sunday morning. No way.