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12-15-2018, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Money was frozen mostly under Bush and Obama.
That awful idea was floated by Trump back 2015-16. It wouldn't survive in court and violates tons of laws.
What's more interesting is that we're back to square one repeating campaign ideas Trump had 2 years ago...
Why hasn't he gotten the money? Hell, he even got the Democrats to agree to the $25 Billion twice earlier this year... now he can't get $5?
What happened? 
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Sigh... this again...? the dims did not agree to anything, they lie alot
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12-15-2018, 11:35 PM
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#977
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Originally Posted by davew
Sigh... this again...? the dims did not agree to anything, they lie alot
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Yeah... this... again...
We actually talked about it back then too... I said he should take the deal... you all were less enthusiastic..
So, anyway you have nothing... here's what I have.
Politico: Schumer united Dems against Trump’s wall
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Trump has also shown little appetite to make a bipartisan compromise on immigration. He turned down a chance to get $25 billion for his border wall earlier this year after an extensive back and forth with Schumer and other senators. He later lobbied against a bill providing deportation protections for young undocumented immigrants and $25 billion in border wall funding because he wanted cuts to legal immigration as well.
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12-16-2018, 12:56 AM
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#978
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12-16-2018, 01:04 AM
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One of Trump's big campaign promises was to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it.
Now he is threatening to shut down the government if Congress doesn't pay for it.
He couldn't do what he said he said he could do, so he is going to try to blame it on Congress? 
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12-16-2018, 04:26 AM
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It means it was offered and then revoked. From you own article:
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Trump last year announced that he was ending the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA, but gave Congress until March 5 to come up with a legislative fix. With the clock ticking, Trump appeared to agree to a pair of deals with Democrats, then backed out and demanded more money for a border wall. He also sought an overhaul of the legal immigration system to prevent immigrants from sponsoring their family members and an end to a visa lottery aimed at expanding diversity.
On the House side, the Republican Study Committee, a group of more than 150 lawmakers, announced its support for a bill written by Reps. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., Raśl Labrador, R-Idaho, and Michael McCaul, R-Texas. Their plan would offer DACA recipients a three-year renewal of legal status, allowing them to continue to live and work in the country with no special path to citizenship. It also contains a host of stringent features that are anathema to Democrats, including reducing legal immigration by 25 percent, adding border patrol agents and denying certain funding to cities that refuse to cooperate with federal immigration authorities.
The White House endorsed that bill, and it appeared to be gaining traction among conservatives. NumbersUSA, a group that advocates for reduced immigration, announcing its support Tuesday.
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So...
Trump was offered $25 Billion but then the goalposts were moved by him again. This time by wanting to limit legal migration as well. So the Democrats withdrew it.
So let me ask you this again. Trump wanted $25 Billion. Was offered it. Now here we are a year later and he's begging for $5B.
What happened? I thought he had awesome deal-making prowess?
Surely 25 is better than 5 or in this case 1.6 right? What happened? [Answer below]
He actually sucks really bad at making deals.
Last edited by elysiantraveller; 12-16-2018 at 04:29 AM.
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12-16-2018, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmyb
I believe the Iranian cash deal was their money all along ... we froze it after the seizure of hostages.
If paying for a wall is a problem, best idea I've heard so far is a tax of Mexican earned money that gets sent back to their homeland.
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Possession is 9/10ths of the law.
It was theirs, operative word being was.
They did not deserve it back.
They held our citizens hostages for 444 days - we should have obliterated them to hell for that. Giving them penny back was not acceptable
Treating animals like people - and make no mistake, Iran is run by mad dogs - was unacceptable. Iran can never be treated as civilized. They are not.
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12-16-2018, 09:33 AM
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Taxing money wired to Mexico by non U.S. citizens is certainly the answer to building the wall. Would take no time at all. Why this hasn't been done already is crazy. It was talked of pretty extensively two years ago. Maybe they're just waiting to exhaust other measures and if they fail Trump will do just that. Ace in his sleeve so to speak. I guess it would be a great campaign year plan
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12-16-2018, 09:37 AM
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Great idea!
And require SS numbers and addresses of whoever sends the money - to be sure it is included at tax time.
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12-16-2018, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
It means it was offered and then revoked. From you own article:
So...
Trump was offered $25 Billion but then the goalposts were moved by him again. This time by wanting to limit legal migration as well. So the Democrats withdrew it.
So let me ask you this again. Trump wanted $25 Billion. Was offered it. Now here we are a year later and he's begging for $5B.
What happened? I thought he had awesome deal-making prowess?
Surely 25 is better than 5 or in this case 1.6 right? What happened? [Answer below]
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The offer was conditional - conditions that were offering more amnesty than he wanted.
He was offered $25 Billion over 10 years. That's 2.5 per year.
It cut down on who could be deported and kept chain migration.
Also it needed 60 votes in the Senate and only got 54.
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12-16-2018, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by chadk66
Taxing money wired to Mexico by non U.S. citizens is certainly the answer to building the wall.
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There is no way to enforce such a tax. Getting around it would be very simple. And there are non citizens who are here legally. Would you tax them too?
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12-16-2018, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Clocker
There is no way to enforce such a tax. Getting around it would be very simple. And there are non citizens who are here legally. Would you tax them too?
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Of COURSE!
Guest tax
Crossing the border Tax
Breathing our Air Tax
Drinking our water Tax.
I am here legally and pay taxes through my nose.
Spread the burden.
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12-16-2018, 10:45 AM
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You guys love taxes all of a sudden.
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12-16-2018, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Greyfox
The offer was conditional - conditions that were offering more amnesty than he wanted.
He was offered $25 Billion over 10 years. That's 2.5 per year.
It cut down on who could be deported and kept chain migration.
Also it needed 60 votes in the Senate and only got 54.
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The offer was you get the wall and 700,000 Dreamers get taken off the table... seems fair right?
Unless you prefer:
PS) He's laughably bad at making deals.
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12-16-2018, 11:30 AM
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#989
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
The offer was you get the wall and 700,000 Dreamers get taken off the table... seems fair right?
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You have a point. He's moving to a position where beggars can't be choosers.
That may be the best he can get if none of those Dreamers aren't MS-13 and other hooligans.
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12-16-2018, 11:31 AM
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#990
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
You guys love taxes all of a sudden.
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Those are taxes on non- citizens.
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