Sports Wagering one step closer in NJ....

[Canarsie]

Originally Posted by badcompany

It's the stupidity of it that creates the animosity. The idea that a guy who wants to bet a game legally has to take a road trip when he could just easily and more comfortably do the same thing from his Lazy Boy makes me not want to support this.

I'm in agreement with you 100% but if this somehow helps racing then let them have their day.

I don't even have the slightest urge to go down there and see what it looks like. Plus like you said from the Lazy Boy you can look at futures and prop bets in the comfort of your home. Even if they displayed them on a 60 inch monitor it wouldn't be the same.

I have some questions if anyone drives there and would be kind enough to answer.

1. How much of a surcharge it turned out to be after gas, tolls, food, drink, and any other money spent?

2. Did they leave after the wager or stayed 3 1/2 hours to cash?

3. Was there a long line due to the fact that most of the people wagering with novices?

4. Did it feel comfortable or feel like an OTB.

5. Would you recommend it to your friends?

6. Would you prefer to use a bookmaker after the experience?


I would hope the people who will be running the ship at monmouth will read this and try to make it an experience where the person would gladly return. But these are the same people who charge for parking and admission with two or three races to go on a card.

So here's a suggestion for you even though I know you won't use it because your much smarter than me.

Free valet parking if you wager 50 times or more for the day. Such a simple thing would make a person feel accommodated and might make him want to return.

If a person wagers a certain amount give him a voucher for food at your cost. Lets say he and a companion could have semi decent food like at a sports bar. If it cost him less than $15 with a drink for both of them it might entice him to come back.

Ask the patrons what they would like. In all my years of going to the racetrack I have never had someone stop me and ask how can we make this experience better.

Done.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

Whether you want it or I want it or whether or not it would help NJ with its revenue stream doesn't matter one iota. It ain't happening anytime soon.

It starts next week. Chris Christie signed it and we now have it in NJ. Let the games begin! FYI Drazin assembled a SW task force to oversee the operations and implementation of the wagering itself, it isn't a state run organization as that would have violated the federal laws.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by badcompany

It's the stupidity of it that creates the animosity. The idea that a guy who wants to bet a game legally has to take a road trip when he could just easily and more comfortably do the same thing from his Lazy Boy makes me not want to support this.

That will come in due time. This is the first step to see if the racetracks and casinos can recapture that coveted betting dollar that has found its way across state lines. Most racinos began as slots only it took a few years and deals with Indian gaming casinos to allow table games.

[SandyW]

Originally Posted by onefast99

It starts next week. Chris Christie signed it and we now have it in NJ. Let the games begin! FYI Drazin assembled a SW task force to oversee the operations and implementation of the wagering itself, it isn't a state run organization as that would have violated the federal laws.

Next week?
Not according to ESPN.
"HERE COME THE JUDGE"

[badcompany]

Originally Posted by onefast99

That will come in due time. This is the first step to see if the racetracks and casinos can recapture that coveted betting dollar that has found its way across state lines. Most racinos began as slots only it took a few years and deals with Indian gaming casinos to allow table games.

So, if they do recapture it, what would be the incentive for racetracks to give it up?

The arguments for why horseracing is entitled to the profits of other forms of gaming are absurd as is. I can't see how they'll come up with a reason for why they should get a piece of an online sports betting platform.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by badcompany

So, if they do recapture it, what would be the incentive for racetracks to give it up?

The arguments for why horseracing is entitled to the profits of other forms of gaming are absurd as is. I can't see how they'll come up with a reason for why they should get a piece of an online sports betting platform.

In 2011 NJ passed a referendum to allow sports wagering at the NJ racetracks and casinos. The legislature then passed a bill legalizing sports betting and Governor Christie signed it.
“sports wagering


conducted at a racetrack or a casino under


procedures developed solely by the racetrack


or casino shall not be considered unlawful


gambling and a person shall not be subject


to criminal or civil liability under the laws of


this State for participating in, or conducting,


sports wagering at a racetrack or a casino.”

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by SandyW

Next week?
Not according to ESPN.
"HERE COME THE JUDGE"

October 26th MP will accept sports wagering, what judge or court will rule it is illegal? What will they rule on(there are no similar cases)? What are the sports leagues baseing their opposition on, PASPA was avoided by Lesniaks ability to craft the law in such a way that NJ casinos and racetracks will have the ability to accept sports wagering. Will there be more opposition, yes but it won't stop it dead in its tracks.

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by onefast99

October 26th MP will accept sports wagering, what judge or court will rule it is illegal? What will they rule on(there are no similar cases)? What are the sports leagues baseing their opposition on, PASPA was avoided by Lesniaks ability to craft the law in such a way that NJ casinos and racetracks will have the ability to accept sports wagering. Will there be more opposition, yes but it won't stop it dead in its tracks.

If the state of NJ receives any money from sports wagering it be considered that they are regulating it. Furthermore, anyone who takes a bet in this case, Monmouth Park and its management, is involution of the law and can be indicted. Just ask Poker Stars how that works. And of course the NFL, etc can sue for illegal use of their product and get a restraining order on that basis. We will see how soon or if any this happens. My guess is still sooner than later. The NFL, etc lawyers are working on a way to stop the first bet from being accepted, you count on that.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

If the state of NJ receives any money from sports wagering it be considered that they are regulating it. Furthermore, anyone who takes a bet in this case, Monmouth Park and its management, is involution of the law and can be indicted. Just ask Poker Stars how that works. And of course the NFL, etc can sue for illegal use of their product and get a restraining order on that basis. We will see how soon or if any this happens. My guess is still sooner than later. The NFL, etc lawyers are working on a way to stop the first bet from being accepted, you count on that.

The state isn't regulating the sw platform the law that was crafted by Senator Lesniak avoids PASPA. Read about PASPA and then comment. You aren't totally wrong as the leagues will try to find a relation to the state and the sw platform but it won't be enough to completely shut it down.

[lamboguy]

just in case there is wagering there next week, is William Hill going to book the bets?

[bks]

If the state of NJ receives any money from sports wagering it be considered that they are regulating it.

How so? All of us pay income tax. Are we therefore "regulated"? Regulation has a specific meaning, and simply sending money to an entity in accordance with tax laws does not meet the standard.

Now, does that mean the courts won't rule as you suggest? No. But they have no sound basis for doing so that I can see, as the new NJ law doesn't violate PASPA.

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by SandyW

Next week?
Not according to ESPN.
"HERE COME THE JUDGE"

Lol, on what grounds will the nfl try and stop bettting, it can't be PASPA, as Jersey has deregulated it, and no longer has any standing authorizing and regulating by law.

The regulating body is a private concern so i do believe the NFL cant sue jersey for deregulating since the court opinion in place says they could.

Go after Monmouth and will hill is the only way forward for the NFL for using its games to make money, but thats what vegas and delaware do already.

Allan

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

If the state of NJ receives any money from sports wagering it be considered that they are regulating it. Furthermore, anyone who takes a bet in this case, Monmouth Park and its management, is involution of the law and can be indicted. Just ask Poker Stars how that works. And of course the NFL, etc can sue for illegal use of their product and get a restraining order on that basis. We will see how soon or if any this happens. My guess is still sooner than later. The NFL, etc lawyers are working on a way to stop the first bet from being accepted, you count on that.

So las vegas can use their games to make money, but monmouth cant.

What makes one legal and the other one illegal?

Allan

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

just in case there is wagering there next week, is William Hill going to book the bets?

Yes lambo he is ready to go.

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

So las vegas can use their games to make money, but monmouth cant.

What makes one legal and the other one illegal?

Allan

The law as written and passed congress and signed by the president. Never said it was fair, only that it is the law.