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dietant · 05-01-2015, 09:15 PM

Tell me some about

Materiality/CASTELLANO JAVIER.

RunForTheRoses · 05-01-2015, 09:28 PM

Looks good. Won the post position war.

SecretAgentMan · 05-01-2015, 09:31 PM

I believe he's coming out of post #4, now that El Kabeir was scratched.

With all the hype Bafferts horses are receiving, wouldn't surprise me to see Pletcher win with Materiality & break the Apollo curse......

Relwob Owner · 05-01-2015, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

I believe he's coming out of post #4, now that El Kabeir was scratched.

With all the hype Bafferts horses are receiving, wouldn't surprise me to see Pletcher win with Materiality & break the Apollo curse......

I like this horse a lot and like the odds thus far as well. I also International Star as a closer with a good price

gfnut · 05-02-2015, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

I believe he's coming out of post #4, now that El Kabeir was scratched.

With all the hype Bafferts horses are receiving, wouldn't surprise me to see Pletcher win with Materiality & break the Apollo curse......

Not only does he have to beat the Apollo curse, he has to beat the Pletcher curse (1 for 40). Pletcher has sent 3 undefeated horses to the derby and If I right they are still trying to finish the race. Lets face it, Pletcher can"t bring his magic oats for fear of being caught. With that being said he is bound to win a 2nd derby even by accident. This may be the year.

no breathalyzer · 05-02-2015, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by gfnut

Not only does he have to beat the Apollo curse, he has to beat the Pletcher curse (1 for 40). Pletcher has sent 3 undefeated horses to the derby and If I right they are still trying to finish the race. Lets face it, Pletcher can"t bring his magic oats for fear of being caught. With that being said he is bound to win a 2nd derby even by accident. This may be the year.

I'm confused.... so Pletcher can't bring in magic oats but Baffert can?
Or its it Baffert isn't afraid he can be caught

gfnut · 05-02-2015, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by no breathalyzer

I'm confused.... so Pletcher can't bring in magic oats but Baffert can?
Or its it Baffert isn't afraid he can be caught

My bad. I should of said he chooses not to bring his magic oats. Baffert has not won since 2002, so maybe he is chooses not to bring his either. How do you explain a 1 for 40 record from a 22% trainer. He dominates all the derby preps but always loses the big one.

Some_One · 05-02-2015, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gfnut

My bad. I should of said he chooses not to bring his magic oats. Baffert has not won since 2002, so maybe he is chooses not to bring his either. How do you explain a 1 for 40 record from a 22% trainer. He dominates all the derby preps but always loses the big one.

Because the Derby is a much tougher race to win.

What is the expected win percentage? Now of course over a small sample size, variance would be a problem, so also what is his expected ITM percentage vs actual (I looked that up earlier today and it's not that bad)

depalma113 · 05-02-2015, 07:17 AM

Could be right there at the finish, or 15th.

boys at tosconova · 05-02-2015, 08:49 AM

i think this is pletcher's best horse. this horse looks awfully fast

boys at tosconova · 05-02-2015, 09:28 AM

look what materiality did to upstart w/ his limited background. i don't want to say he crushed him..but he beat him nonetheless and was pulling away late.

in the fl derby but the horse ran better than i thought he would. and his doubts still remain the same for some but he answered the call imo. ran fast early and came home fast

PaceAdvantage · 05-02-2015, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by gfnut

Lets face it, Pletcher can"t bring his magic oats for fear of being caught.

Idiotic and libelous to boot. You act as if the Derby is on par with all those other races Pletcher runs in...those tiny (in comparison...6-8 horses versus 20????) where he is a huge favorite...

Of course he's not going to win the Derby at the same pace as all those other FAR EASIER races to win...

Your foolish statement should have been deleted on sight, however, I thought it best to point out the obvious to you.

cordep17 · 05-02-2015, 12:00 PM

I had too many contenders, and thought he looked enough like my rough pick Gemologist at my first glance and I'm going with that reasoning to throw him out.

Looks good enough to win, but hopefully a bit a green and the bright lights and the huge field debunk him, for me. For you, the best of luck

Relwob Owner · 05-02-2015, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gfnut

Not only does he have to beat the Apollo curse, he has to beat the Pletcher curse (1 for 40). Pletcher has sent 3 undefeated horses to the derby and If I right they are still trying to finish the race. Lets face it, Pletcher can"t bring his magic oats for fear of being caught. With that being said he is bound to win a 2nd derby even by accident. This may be the year.

Dame Dorothy ran just fine.......

Some_One · 05-02-2015, 06:57 PM

Last year I had Danza who had the worst trip in the field, and I think Materality will get the worst trip award this year again for me. Missed the break and shuffled to the back throughout, but was the only one closing late going from 15ish to 6th in the stretch.