|
|
04-21-2018, 09:45 PM
|
#1
|
The Voice of Reason!
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
Posts: 112,983
|
STATS Race Lens
OK, I have a 30 day trial to sign up for, thanks to our gracious host PA!
Is anyone using this product, and if so, how are you using it?
I see there are 13 video tutorials, so I'm guessing there is lots of things to use.
Any suggestions where to begin, what to use?
I'm thinking I'll sign up Sunday and get a card to play around with while watching the videos.
__________________
Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
|
|
|
04-22-2018, 12:08 PM
|
#2
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Western Kentucky
Posts: 273
|
It's good for doing research on trainers, jocks and sires. All the charts are there too.
I wouldn't waste my time on their created odds line and their race/shape pace projector isn't as good as Timeform's.
The equibase figs aren't bad, but you'll find (especially in the 3yo Stakes) errors.
__________________
Is there no standard anymore?
|
|
|
04-22-2018, 12:50 PM
|
#3
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dark Side of the Moon
Posts: 5,871
|
never used it before but watched a couple videos
i am sure its a fine product but i havent seen the need to switch from formulator with timeform figures.
ubercapper who posts here is involved in the product and very respected handicapper.
|
|
|
04-22-2018, 02:11 PM
|
#4
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 50
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion Monster
It's good for doing research on trainers, jocks and sires. All the charts are there too.
I wouldn't waste my time on their created odds line and their race/shape pace projector isn't as good as Timeform's.
The equibase figs aren't bad, but you'll find (especially in the 3yo Stakes) errors.
|
Could not agree more, if researching obscure stats is your thing it’s worth it but for everyday handicapping I found it confusing mostly because I couldn’t get used to pp’s been spoiled by the simplicity and accuracy of timeform, not saying bad just not my thing
|
|
|
04-22-2018, 07:16 PM
|
#5
|
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,129
|
stats race lens
Hard to see on my computer screen ,they need to work on the visual,thats my main complaint ,you have GO to into the program to find some good stats ,the ones they hightlight on the main page arent that predictive ,equibase figs ,have their good days and bad days ,same as DRF,BRIS AND THOROGRAPH,i think they show equibase pace figs ,but they are very high compared to bris ,i like horse that can crack 100 but with equibase you have to make that 110 or better ,they had 1 the other day /186 /pace fig .came in 19-1/but horse had other things going for it!/they highlight best speed fig on the page and the 2nd best on the page .BRIS has always been much easier on the eyes
__________________
Six Two And Even ...Over And Out
|
|
|
04-22-2018, 07:33 PM
|
#6
|
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,129
|
stats race lens
i just downloaded their free race of day no raw pace figs for stats race lens ,which is a shame for the money how is it bris can fit all that info on the page and the rest of these pp's cant ,get up to speed ,the projected avg pace is useless a high recent pace fig is an indicator of fitness ,i dont know what they base the avg on
__________________
Six Two And Even ...Over And Out
|
|
|
04-23-2018, 08:14 AM
|
#7
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 4,520
|
I also have a free subscription to it via VIP status.
Did Tampa bay and woodbine yesterday.
Lets you fool around with the factors you think are important to each race.
for instance I pay no attention to trainer or jock so I pushed the buttons back on those factors.
did okay playing against the underlaid horses on the X. (trial was 50 bucks against the most underlaid horse). went 8 for 8 losers. (2 seconds, 2 thirds)
made some money off the SRL but it was only one day at 2 tracks.
and those pesky seconds are a concern.
I like my underlays off the board.
Allan
|
|
|
04-23-2018, 09:01 AM
|
#8
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,956
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by biggestal99
I also have a free subscription to it via VIP status.
Did Tampa bay and woodbine yesterday.
Lets you fool around with the factors you think are important to each race.
for instance I pay no attention to trainer or jock so I pushed the buttons back on those factors.
did okay playing against the underlaid horses on the X. (trial was 50 bucks against the most underlaid horse). went 8 for 8 losers. (2 seconds, 2 thirds)
made some money off the SRL but it was only one day at 2 tracks.
and those pesky seconds are a concern.
I like my underlays off the board.
Allan
|
Allan , do you know anything about the "reduction factor" on NJX? Yesterday I found out the hard way What I thought was a bet @6.4 ended up 5.78 And the horse won! And tote price ended up better
|
|
|
04-23-2018, 09:16 AM
|
#9
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 4,520
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by upthecreek
Allan , do you know anything about the "reduction factor" on NJX? Yesterday I found out the hard way What I thought was a bet @6.4 ended up 5.78 And the horse won! And tote price ended up better
|
Yeah, It sucks thats what it does.
Each horse has a reduction value. The lower odds the horse the higher the reduction factor.
They suspend the betting, take out the scratched horse, reduce the odds of the matched bets by the reduction factor. Then open the market back up.
with PM bets it is done automatically, with exchange wagering its not.
it is a major nuisance. Major only if a low odds horse is scratched.
For the bookmakers in the UK, its called rule 4 and it sucks there too.
Allan
|
|
|
04-23-2018, 09:30 AM
|
#10
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,956
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by biggestal99
Yeah, It sucks thats what it does.
Each horse has a reduction value. The lower odds the horse the higher the reduction factor.
They suspend the betting, take out the scratched horse, reduce the odds of the matched bets by the reduction factor. Then open the market back up.
with PM bets it is done automatically, with exchange wagering its not.
it is a major nuisance. Major only if a low odds horse is scratched.
For the bookmakers in the UK, its called rule 4 and it sucks there too.
Allan
|
Thanks👍 Especially sucks since tote odds on my horse went up from 4-1 to 5-1 and I didn't place another bet, figuring I was locked on @ 6.4
The horse paid$12 tote, $10.41 NJX
|
|
|
04-23-2018, 09:51 AM
|
#11
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 4,520
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by upthecreek
Thanks👍 Especially sucks since tote odds on my horse went up from 4-1 to 5-1 and I didn't place another bet, figuring I was locked on @ 6.4
The horse paid$12 tote, $10.41 NJX
|
Yeah the first time it happened to me it was What the hell......
I emailed and got the sad facts of life about this bad part of NJX.
Allan
|
|
|
04-23-2018, 10:13 AM
|
#12
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,956
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by biggestal99
Yeah the first time it happened to me it was What the hell......
I emailed and got the sad facts of life about this bad part of NJX.
Allan
|
I got a hold of Justin Horowitz on Twitter, he's looking into and is going to try and explain it to me
|
|
|
04-23-2018, 10:26 AM
|
#13
|
Registered User
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 22,692
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by upthecreek
Allan , do you know anything about the "reduction factor" on NJX? Yesterday I found out the hard way What I thought was a bet @6.4 ended up 5.78 And the horse won! And tote price ended up better
|
It used to be the more you win, the higher the exchange 'take' on winning bets.
|
|
|
04-23-2018, 10:40 AM
|
#14
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,956
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by davew
It used to be the more you win, the higher the exchange 'take' on winning bets.
|
Nothing to do with the take Its always a flat 12% It had to do with a late scratch at the gate
|
|
|
04-23-2018, 11:31 AM
|
#15
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,956
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by davew
It used to be the more you win, the higher the exchange 'take' on winning bets.
|
This is what happened I still dont quite grasp it
How is the reduction factor applied?
When a bet is struck, the price that it was matched at will be recorded on the system. If there is a subsequent withdrawal (non-runner), we will reduce the matched price by the reduction factor of the withdrawn horse.
If you want to calculate the new price once a reduction factor has been applied, this is how:
(Decimal odds / 100) x reduction factor of non-runner = amount to reduce original price by
Subtract this amount from the original price to calculate the new price.
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
|