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02-19-2022, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Thomas Roulston
Who else remembers the lame policy that NYRA briefly observed in the early '80s: If a race had fewer than six betting interests, exacta wagering was canceled?
And why did they do this?
Because they thought that five-horse fields were more likely to be "fixed"!
After every racing writer in the NY/NJ area pointed out that the return from a "fixed" five-horse race would be too minimal to be worth the trouble for anyone to "fix" such a race, NYRA sheepishly repealed the rule.
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The 1994 Travers didn't have exacta wagering. I thought the Holy Bull-Concern exacta was a lock.
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02-20-2022, 10:42 AM
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#92
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Originally Posted by Redboard
Could you give us a specific example? Dirt race.
I've always found those races had large fields but the starters had no published workouts because the track wanted them to run instead of work. Also , all of the trainers were 3 for 61.
In other words, virtually unhandicappable. But I haven't looked closely at those races in awhile. So, example please.
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Just because something is hard to handicap doesn't mean it is unhandicappable
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02-20-2022, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
Just because something is hard to handicap doesn't mean it is unhandicappable
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Given a steady diet of "hard to handicap" races will not bring growth to an already hard game.
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02-20-2022, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC
Given a steady diet of "hard to handicap" races will not bring growth to an already hard game.
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I agree with this.
Personally, I like large competitive decent quality fields with limited complications.
I'm not particularly fond of races with a lot of layoffs, surface switches, suspicious dropdowns, first time starters, horses with wild form fluctuations, or anything else that might make me feel like I'm at a disadvantage against insiders. One or two horses like that is OK because I may have some value oriented insight into that specific trainer, but when it's a bunch it feels like I'm throwing darts against someone that knows what's going on better than I do.
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Last edited by classhandicapper; 02-20-2022 at 04:42 PM.
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02-20-2022, 06:56 PM
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#95
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas Roulston
Who else remembers the lame policy that NYRA briefly observed in the early '80s: If a race had fewer than six betting interests, exacta wagering was canceled?
And why did they do this?
Because they thought that five-horse fields were more likely to be "fixed"!
After every racing writer in the NY/NJ area pointed out that the return from a "fixed" five-horse race would be too minimal to be worth the trouble for anyone to "fix" such a race, NYRA sheepishly repealed the rule.
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NYSRWB rule, not NYRA
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02-20-2022, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
Personally, I like large competitive decent quality fields with limited complications.
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And what track supplies a steady diet of those races here in the US?....You'd be happy playing Hong Kong.
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02-21-2022, 06:46 AM
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02-21-2022, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ReplayRandall
And what track supplies a steady diet of those races here in the US?....You'd be happy playing Hong Kong.
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You know what they say about old dogs.
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02-22-2022, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ronsmac
I’ve enjoyed that website for a good while. I loved looking at the betting and attendance trends of Bowie, Tropical Park and Garden State in the 60s and 70s.
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There are many tracks I've been to on the list that have closed.
There are a few, shall I say "interesting" stories about how some of the tracks met their demise.
The story of Narrangansett Park was perhaps the most intriguing. I did not have the privilege of going there, but I remember seeing results printed in the NY Daily News.
I found a couple errors in the listings...
The site owner mentioned Rosecroft Raceway as being closed. It isn't.
Also, he left out Ben White Raceway near Orlando.
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02-22-2022, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
I agree with this.
Personally, I like large competitive decent quality fields with limited complications.
I'm not particularly fond of races with a lot of layoffs, surface switches, suspicious dropdowns, first time starters, horses with wild form fluctuations, or anything else that might make me feel like I'm at a disadvantage against insiders. One or two horses like that is OK because I may have some value oriented insight into that specific trainer, but when it's a bunch it feels like I'm throwing darts against someone that knows what's going on better than I do.
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Yep..When I see fields like this, I get that eerie feeling that if I wager on this type of field, I'm about to get hosed.
So, usually, I hit the bar for a beer and watch the carnage from a safe distance.
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02-22-2022, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by affirmedny
NYSRWB rule, not NYRA
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That's correct. The rule also applied to Harness as well.
Though scratches were and still are far less frequent for the Standardbreds, short fields in those events first caused triple wagering to be cancelled and to go with that, show betting was also scrubbed.
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02-22-2022, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by theiman
Read that GGF will not run a Saturday card on Saturday March 5th, Big Cap Day at SA. Instead will run on the next Monday, March 7th.
I wouldn't be shocked if they move more cards to Monday or a Tuesday. I believe Turf Paradise does, or did, better handle on their Mondays and Tuesday, than on the weekends.
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Colonial Downs is live on Mondays thru Weds. A very smart move. The Previous iteration of CNL ran a more traditional Thurs-Sunday schedule. The reasons are obvious. And...instead of a first post at 5pm. CNL will begin its racing programs with 1.45pm first post.
Purses have not been announced yet. However, with the 2021 meeting a resounding success , no doubt the $500k per day avg will see an increase.
I just hope CDI doesn't find a way to EF this up..
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02-23-2022, 08:32 AM
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Moved
Last edited by Redboard; 02-23-2022 at 08:37 AM.
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02-24-2022, 04:31 PM
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so... one guy winning like 40% of the big races?
One Guy winning 40% good for the game?
Flavian Prat riding good
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02-25-2022, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
One Guy winning 40% good for the game?
Flavian Prat riding good
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IDK. During the absolute heyday of California racing, when the state unambiguously had the best racing in the country in the 1950's and 1960's, Shoemaker rode some seasons at over 30% and dominated stakes racing. And a ton of his horses went off at 4-5. It was like Russell Baze, but on the biggest circuit in America. And the tracks were making bank.
Obviously now, though, Prat is feeding on the carcass that is left over of California racing.
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