Rand Paul Tea Party Response

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

...If they were really on their game, they'd just decline the opportunity to offer some meaningless rebuttal to another panderous collection of catch phrases and regurgitated stereotypes. What can either side possible have to say at this point that anyone wants to hear? ...

Hold the phone, I jumped the gun.

Last year, “Cat Scratch Fever” rocker Ted Nugent made headlines when he branded President Barack Obama as “evil” and “America-hating,” and described him and Democrats as coyotes who should be shot. On Tuesday, Nugent will attend Obama’s State of the Union address as a guest of Republican Texas Rep. Steve Stockman.

Some lawmakers are inviting victims of gun violence, and Obama is expected to push Congress to support a package of measures crafted in the aftermath of the slaughter of schoolchildren in Newtown, Conn., in December.

“I am excited to have a patriot like Ted Nugent joining me in the House Chamber to hear from President Obama,” Stockman said in a statement. “After the address I’m sure Ted will have plenty to say.”

Maybe I will have to tune in.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/t...-politics.html

[Jay Trotter]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

Can you imagine the slogans if another Bush ran?

"Every few years I shave my Bush, but it keeps growing back!"

[Tom]

Thank GOD, he's not a democrat!

[classhandicapper]

What the republicans need is a fiscal conservative that believes in sound money, balanced budgets, and staying out of the internal affairs of foreign nations. He should also be conservative on issues of morality, but without trying to impose his religious beliefs on others. In other words, he can and should have strong traditional values and even be willing to encourage them, but without being seen as an aggressive threat to people that are not religious or that disagree. He should try to encourage his values in a non religious way. He should try to encourage them using science and stats and show that certain behaviors produce superior results for society.

[Tom]

Another Reagan.
With a three legged stool.

[Moniker]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

What the republicans need is a fiscal conservative that believes in sound money, balanced budgets, and staying out of the internal affairs of foreign nations. He should also be conservative on issues of morality, but without trying to impose his religious beliefs on others. In other words, he can and should have strong traditional values and even be willing to encourage them, but without being seen as an aggressive threat to people that are not religious or that disagree. He should try to encourage his values in a non religious way. He should try to encourage them using science and stats and show that certain behaviors produce superior results for society.

I agree. I would like to see a republican candidate with sound morals, who at the same time does not try to force his own beliefs on anyone through legislation.
What the country needs is an example to follow of their own will, should they so choose... Not another self righteous, over bearing politician who believes the country should still behave exactly as it did during the 50s. I've grown up in an America that I can be proud of in terms of social progression, but has fallen short in terms of individual and fiscal responsibility.

Also, I believe it was you who asked in an earlier post what I meant when I said I was "America's youth" so to answer your question, I was referring to my own generation. I am 19.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Moniker

I agree. I would like to see a republican candidate with sound morals, who at the same time does not try to force his own beliefs on anyone through legislation.
What the country needs is an example to follow of their own will, should they so choose... Not another self righteous, over bearing politician who believes the country should still behave exactly as it did during the 50s. I've grown up in an America that I can be proud of in terms of social progression, but has fallen short in terms of individual and fiscal responsibility.

Also, I believe it was you who asked in an earlier post what I meant when I said I was "America's youth" so to answer your question, I was referring to my own generation. I am 19.

over and over people repeat this sentiment, often I ask them what legislation they are talking about, but never get an answer. maybe you can recall some legislation proposed by a Republican candidate which proposed to force his own beliefs on someone else?

also keep in mind, that the entire agenda of Obama is based on forcing his beliefs upon the country, whether by legislation or not, whether popular or not, he has vowed to do the same.

why is it that Democrats are so successful at electing someone to office who vows to impart his own beliefs on the country, and everyone, well most everyone seems fine with it? yet the advice given to Republicans is the exact opposite, don't force your beliefs on us! what beliefs?

[Moniker]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

over and over people repeat this sentiment, often I ask them what legislation they are talking about, but never get an answer. maybe you can recall some legislation proposed by a Republican candidate which proposed to force his own beliefs on someone else?

also keep in mind, that the entire agenda of Obama is based on forcing his beliefs upon the country, whether by legislation or not, whether popular or not, he has vowed to do the same.

why is it that Democrats are so successful at electing someone to office who vows to impart his own beliefs on the country, and everyone, well most everyone seems fine with it? yet the advice given to Republicans is the exact opposite, don't force your beliefs on us! what beliefs?

The belief that women should not have the choice to have an abortion? The belief that homosexuals should not have equal right to marriage? Are you implying that these are not beliefs commonly held by individuals in the conservative right wing, and that that those individuals have NOT supported legislation that would enforce those morals as law? I can't cite a specific example, and I'm not at the liberty to search for any, but I would not be hard pressed to find numerous instances that support what I'm talking about.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by Moniker

Also, I believe it was you who asked in an earlier post what I meant when I said I was "America's youth" so to answer your question, I was referring to my own generation. I am 19.

God, I wish I knew at 19 what I know now. I was a total idiot at 19. Now I'm only about 1/3 an idiot. You are way ahead of me at the same age.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

over and over people repeat this sentiment, often I ask them what legislation they are talking about, but never get an answer. maybe you can recall some legislation proposed by a Republican candidate which proposed to force his own beliefs on someone else?

also keep in mind, that the entire agenda of Obama is based on forcing his beliefs upon the country, whether by legislation or not, whether popular or not, he has vowed to do the same.

why is it that Democrats are so successful at electing someone to office who vows to impart his own beliefs on the country, and everyone, well most everyone seems fine with it? yet the advice given to Republicans is the exact opposite, don't force your beliefs on us! what beliefs?

You are making a great point.

I was specifically talking about the right, but there is a clear double standard in the mainstream media and from the left on that. It's OK for them to ram their economic and social values down the throat of everyone that disagrees with them, but not the other way around.

IMO no one should be ramming anything down anyone's throat.

There is one obvious way to accomplish that.

Move everything on which there isn't almost unanimous consensus down to the states or even local governments. That way if the people of CA happen to turn their state into an economic and social cesspool (despite monstrous advantages) they won't drag the rest of us into the same pile of shit and hold us responsible for some of the cost of cleaning up the mess.

The left has long been against that because it allows for the one thing they hate more than anything else - the freedom of productive and socially conservative people to vote with their feet and be free of them. They want everything at the federal level.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by Moniker

Also, I believe it was you who asked in an earlier post what I meant when I said I was "America's youth" so to answer your question, I was referring to my own generation. I am 19.

Christ ! If I said what I was thinking, PA would have to suspend me.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

....

There is one obvious way to accomplish that.

Move everything on which there isn't almost unanimous consensus down to the states or even local governments....

You mean like the way it was intended?

People that were apparently dying in the streets without Obamacare, which we learned was the same thing as Romneycare, couldn't even be bothered to save their own lives by loading up the Astrovan and moving to Massachussetts.

[Moniker]

Hahah not to worry, I spent a couple of years working in a kitchen (a local place, not a chain) for lack of a better comparison I'd say that's basically the modern day equivalent of a sailing vessel, in terms of crude, dirty, and socially unacceptable behavior! That combined with a lifetime on the internet has pretty much robbed me of my innocence.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

You mean like the way it was intended?

People that were apparently dying in the streets without Obamacare, which we learned was the same thing as Romneycare, couldn't even be bothered to save their own lives by loading up the Astrovan and moving to Massachussetts.

I don't know all the eligibility rules of Romneycare, but most people I know in NY that are without significant reported income are either on medicaid or go to the emergency room (including a couple of relatives). I even know an illegal immigrant that got fake papers so they could get medicaid. (I guess his friend's side job is to help Mexicans, Columbians etc.. that are here illegally get medicaid for a few pesos on the side). Worse yet, a few of those have cash jobs on the side and own the latest electronic gadgets, go out all the time, travel etc...

So there really isn't too much of an incentive to leave.

On the flip side, I constantly talk to middle class people who are either contemplating or already have long term plans to leave high tax states for low tax ones when they are ready to retire. When that starts happening in large numbers, something has got to give.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by Moniker

I agree. I would like to see a republican candidate with sound morals, who at the same time does not try to force his own beliefs on anyone through legislation.
What the country needs is an example to follow of their own will, should they so choose... Not another self righteous, over bearing politician who believes the country should still behave exactly as it did during the 50s. I've grown up in an America that I can be proud of in terms of social progression, but has fallen short in terms of individual and fiscal responsibility.

Also, I believe it was you who asked in an earlier post what I meant when I said I was "America's youth" so to answer your question, I was referring to my own generation. I am 19.

Your so called social progression is the reason the country is a shambles. 7 out of ten black kids without a father. 4 out of ten white kids in the same boat. 7 of every ten pregnancies to a black female in Washington DC ends in abortion. Huge minority populations in our prison system.

A welfare system that creates a permanent underclass. A total lack of drive and expectation in our "progressive" schools.

A major political party that happily pronounces itself akin to socialism while celebrating lawlessness in the streets. Forever ignoring death and destruction every single day, as long as it keeps them in power and their followers on the "reservation" or "plantation" take your pick.

Yet you have the gall to denigrate the "50's" ? Those people who were raising their kids in the fifties were the same people who kept your young ass from speaking German today. The same who went to France and other far off countries and liberated millions of people from wholesale tyranny and cruelty of unimaginable proportions. They came home to wives and daughters who built bombs and airplanes and suffered through rationing etc. so they could practice American values and build a country. They had strict morales and values that were time tested. They practiced honor and honesty on a level that kept a polite society just that.

Comparing the fates of the fifties today with your so called social progression is an excercise in your obvious youthful ignorance. I grant you pardon due to your age. But do a little research and live a little before you break your shoulder patting yourself and your "proud" progressive state on the back.

Those kids dancing at Woodstock, dropping acid and smoking themselves into oblivion while attending those bastions of higher education have wrought what we observe and live today. All in the name progressive and free ideals. Look around, a domestic terrorist is a trusted confidante of your president, and all those progressive free love kids are running your government and country in the ground. Unashamedly btw.

I should feel pity for you. You will be the one to suffer the most. At your age this government has burdened you with so much difficulty and debt, your life will never be as rewarding as most on this board. You're screwed by the progressives. Keep voting Democrat, it'll keep you cool and popular with all your roommates.