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Old 12-31-2014, 05:04 AM   #76
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Anyone have a theory on why the winner in the 4th race at Laurel on Nov 1st was DQd?

Does Laurel and Maryland have a "foul is a foul" rule and interference gets disqualified whether its costs a horse a placing or not?
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Old 01-08-2015, 03:35 PM   #77
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4th at gulfstream

Was that Dq some bull**** or am I being bias cause I bet the 8?
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Old 01-08-2015, 03:40 PM   #78
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Old 01-08-2015, 03:49 PM   #79
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Old 01-08-2015, 04:13 PM   #80
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That was really a bad call. There will be at least 10 incidents at the meet that will be worse and not result in a DQ.
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Old 01-08-2015, 04:37 PM   #81
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First, it was automatically a BS call because the stewards aren't consistent. They've left up worse than that at THIS meet. If there was some level of consistency it would be less problematic.

I had #5 in the race. I would argue he wasn't actually "done" at the point in the race he steadied out. I thought Saez got a little uncomfortable between horses mid stretch as Royal Son came out a hair. Then he steadied out when bumped as Tradesman also started coming in. So I think the "incident" very likely cost him 4th purse money and maybe even more. The question is more whose fault the steady was. I don't see #8 at fault. It was more either #2 Royal Son for the slightest of drifts out and the bump or Saez himself for panicking out. On that, I lean towards the latter. Not sure I am seeing that objectively though because I had vertical exotics with the #5 also.
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Old 01-14-2015, 06:31 PM   #82
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Sure it's a recurring topic = should judgement come into play regarding DQs? or should horses automatically be taken down?

I can't keep my eyes open (sleepy)
AND am EXTREMELY BIASED (would have won more money with a 4-3 than a 4-10)

Gulfstream race 9 i had exacta boxes

Enters the stretch in the lead. is lugging out under a right handed whip.

is better so he fights and gets past the en route to winning his race as the best horse.

When the lugging out horse hits the good horse , the also contacts the mediocre and maybe the (i don't remember)

The strong and the second best horse the continue fighting on to prove they are the two best.

finishes

Then the judges place the behind the slower and , rewarding two horses that seemed to be proven worse than the because of the fouling by the .

not the end of the world but annoying ($5.20 less per each dollar of exacta wager).

I'll have to review again when less sleepy and less biased/emotional.
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Old 01-14-2015, 06:36 PM   #83
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Sure it's a recurring topic = should judgement come into play regarding DQs? or should horses automatically be taken down?

I can't keep my eyes open (sleepy)
AND am EXTREMELY BIASED (would have won more money with a 4-3 than a 4-10)

Gulfstream race 9 i had exacta boxes

Enters the stretch in the lead. is lugging out under a right handed whip.

is better so he fights and gets past the en route to winning his race as the best horse.

When the lugging out horse hits the good horse , the also contacts the mediocre and maybe the (i don't remember)

The strong and the second best horse the continue fighting on to prove they are the two best.

finishes

Then the judges place the behind the slower and , rewarding two horses that seemed to be proven worse than the because of the fouling of the .

not the end of the world but annoying ($5.20 less per each dollar of exacta wager).

I'll have to review again when less sleepy and less biased/emotional.
I'd automatically leave horses up, you know, under the racing is a contact sport theory.

I don't know about you, but when i handicap, i don't normally make my betting decisions based on who might lug out and get disqualified. I don't ever recall passing on a horse because i was predicting he would win and get taken down.....i don't think bettors care much about that sort of stuff, they just want to be paid if they win.

One thing stewards are crappy at is not realizing that many times a bump or a brush will happen because the horse who is being bumped or brushed is not fast enough....in other words a typical example that happens all the time is this. 2 horses are coming after the leader at the top of the lane, one horse is 2 wide the other guy right on the hip of the horse in between that's 3 wide. They get to the lane and the 3 wide horse is faster than the 2 wide horse and runs past him....lugs in while running by, the jock on the "slower" horse gets bothered. That happens a LOT and its a situation that wouldn't have happened had the horse 2 wide been faster.....so, if there IS a DQ, its essentially rewarding a horse for being "not fast enough".
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Old 01-15-2015, 01:59 PM   #84
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Not a DQ but a tough way to lose several wagers... Lezcano jumps off the 2nd choice #2 in the 1st race @ gulfstream.

The explanation given on the broadcast was that the horse "ducked in causing him to be unseated".
Hard to see how much he was actually ducking in before Lezcano jumped off the horse. He certainly wasn't going down or anything, the horse was full of run.

Tough to criticize beyond saying it was unlucky, but it did not look good.
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Old 01-18-2015, 10:18 AM   #85
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I had the in the 5th at Santa Anita yesterday and they dq'd him to 2nd after he bumped the in the stretch a few times. I watched the head on and I could see why there was a case but at the same time I've seen similar stretch run bumping and pushing a lot of times and nothing was changed. It just seems like you're at the mercy of random steward opinions that vary wildly from track to track. Losing the money hurts too.
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I had the in the 5th at Santa Anita yesterday and they dq'd him to 2nd after he bumped the in the stretch a few times. I watched the head on and I could see why there was a case but at the same time I've seen similar stretch run bumping and pushing a lot of times and nothing was changed. It just seems like you're at the mercy of random steward opinions that vary wildly from track to track. Losing the money hurts too.
I think that was an obvious a DQ as you will ever find. I mean, SRU didn't even post about it which kind of proves that.
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I think that was an obvious a DQ as you will ever find. I mean, SRU didn't even post about it which kind of proves that.
I never saw the head on of this SA race, i was too busy watching a race at Gulfstream where there was no inquiry on the 1 horse (the wildcat red race) that cost the Zito horse (the 6) a board spot (or potential board spot)by herding him into the grandstand.
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Old 01-18-2015, 07:33 PM   #88
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If you ever want to make a big show bet, make sure its on Russell Baze at GG. He can crash into horses and they won't take him down. Good to know.
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I'd automatically leave horses up, you know, under the racing is a contact sport theory.

I don't know about you, but when i handicap, i don't normally make my betting decisions based on who might lug out and get disqualified. I don't ever recall passing on a horse because i was predicting he would win and get taken down.....i don't think bettors care much about that sort of stuff, they just want to be paid if they win.

One thing stewards are crappy at is not realizing that many times a bump or a brush will happen because the horse who is being bumped or brushed is not fast enough....in other words a typical example that happens all the time is this. 2 horses are coming after the leader at the top of the lane, one horse is 2 wide the other guy right on the hip of the horse in between that's 3 wide. They get to the lane and the 3 wide horse is faster than the 2 wide horse and runs past him....lugs in while running by, the jock on the "slower" horse gets bothered. That happens a LOT and its a situation that wouldn't have happened had the horse 2 wide been faster.....so, if there IS a DQ, its essentially rewarding a horse for being "not fast enough".
THAT IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE...

I'll never forget being DQ'd for $20,000 because my horse was simply f'n better in that same example cited. The middle horse wasn't fast enough and bounced a tad like a ping pong ball in between the top 2 horses (3 wide winner and rail runner up). Claimed foul and F'd me for $20,000.

Stewards are mostly BRAIN DEAD. They have simple knowledge but most don't have a high racing IQ
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I think that was an obvious a DQ as you will ever find. I mean, SRU didn't even post about it which kind of proves that.
I agree. That one was automatic. Herded and bumped out the runner up 3x.
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