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02-20-2018, 03:49 PM
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Deep closers
Off the top of your head do any of you follow some current horses that come from the back of the pack? Four Leaf Chief is one I can think of.
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02-20-2018, 08:14 PM
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watch the Razorback and Southwest
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02-20-2018, 09:36 PM
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Most depp closers don't win races, they inherit them.
The have no control over their destiny and have to rely on those up front going too fast.
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02-20-2018, 09:45 PM
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Best way to evaluate is best finish vs fastest pace. Some closers vs a fast pace get stranded at the drive in. Labeled a fool.
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02-21-2018, 07:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Most depp closers don't win races, they inherit them.
The have no control over their destiny and have to rely on those up front going too fast.
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 Cant really say it better.
Also they are notoriously overbet.
Useful to me in verticals as Tri Keys underneath.
A horse that comes from way back, that can crack any pace scenario, is very very rare. I can only think of 1 or 2 in my lifetime.
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02-21-2018, 01:54 PM
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02-21-2018, 01:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ultracapper
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02-21-2018, 01:57 PM
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Too true.
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02-21-2018, 02:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
Cant really say it better.
Also they are notoriously overbet.
Useful to me in verticals as Tri Keys underneath.
A horse that comes from way back, that can crack any pace scenario, is very very rare. I can only think of 1 or 2 in my lifetime. |
Zenyatta and Forego.
Fast. slow. didn't matter.
Allan
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02-21-2018, 02:41 PM
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No current ones but my favorite Evening Attire was pretty good at it. Even left the gate late to give them a head start. 
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02-21-2018, 02:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Most depp closers don't win races, they inherit them.
The have no control over their destiny and have to rely on those up front going too fast.
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THIS^^^^
Tom,
That is precisely what I have found.
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02-21-2018, 09:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz
THIS^^^^
Tom,
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I'll piggyback on this with a slightly different take. When deep closers win, the pace also is usually fast or even very fast. Those pace scenarios tend to lead to the fastest final times. So not only do they inherit the wins, they do so in a way that tends to give them inflated speed figures.
You can say any type horse runs its best races when it gets the best trips of course. But only with closers does the best set up also usually ensure a fast final time, something that is highly factored in to the betting odds in this country.
Last edited by cj; 02-22-2018 at 12:05 PM.
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02-22-2018, 01:51 AM
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All this deep closer talk reminded me of one of my favorites from about 15-20yrs ago...
Chindi
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02-22-2018, 12:59 PM
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I once found that the ones that did win from time to time were helped by having an inside post or a very wide one.
Tom said it all
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02-22-2018, 01:05 PM
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From an entertainment standpoint, however, there is nothing more exciting to the casual fan than a horse that comes from outer space to gobble them up. The buzz on the apron after a race like that is always fun.
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