Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board

Go Back   Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board > Thoroughbred Horse Racing Discussion > General Racing Discussion


Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old 07-14-2017, 09:09 PM   #1
redlandb
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 24
2 Days Rest- Possible

I'm taking a look at a couple races from Crooked River, and some of the horses are running on as little as 2 days rest. How much does this hamper them? A lot a little? Any opinion is appreciated.
redlandb is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 07-15-2017, 07:51 AM   #2
RunForTheRoses
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 4,149
My inclination is that it is not good. Not unprecedented though, former NY trainer Murray Garren would run horses on only a few days rest.
RunForTheRoses is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 07-15-2017, 08:07 AM   #3
Nutz and Boltz
Mad as hell !
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Bridgeport, CT
Posts: 1,136
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunForTheRoses View Post
My inclination is that it is not good. Not unprecedented though, former NY trainer Murray Garren would run horses on only a few days rest.
Yeah, but Garren was a madman.
Nutz and Boltz is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 07-15-2017, 08:26 AM   #4
forced89
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 600
My recollection is that back in the late 50s (or early 60s) a horse named Joe Top won a stake race in Ohio on a Friday; shipped overnight; and won a stake race on Saturday (the next day) at the old Cahokia Downs.
forced89 is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 07-15-2017, 08:34 AM   #5
camourous
Registered User
 
camourous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,413
Rudy Rodriguez does it from time to time.

In 2012 he trained Willy Beamin who won the Albany Stakes at Saratoga on August 22nd, then won the Kings Bishop on August 25th on 2 days rest
camourous is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 07-15-2017, 09:38 AM   #6
WALLENDA
Registered User
 
WALLENDA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: New York
Posts: 39
Reminds me of what Dutrow did with El Real Madrid...

The horse race 3 times in 9 days at Saratoga back in 2010. .

https://www.equibase.com/profiles/Re...istry=T&rbt=TB
WALLENDA is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 07-15-2017, 09:41 AM   #7
WALLENDA
Registered User
 
WALLENDA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: New York
Posts: 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutz and Boltz View Post
Yeah, but Garren was a madman.
Anytime I see his name I think of Jacksonport and Federal Funds..
WALLENDA is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 07-15-2017, 11:43 AM   #8
AskinHaskin
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 487
Quote:
Originally Posted by redlandb View Post
I'm taking a look at a couple races from Crooked River, and some of the horses are running on as little as 2 days rest. How much does this hamper them? A lot a little? Any opinion is appreciated.
Physically?

Probably doesn't hamper them at all.


For it was a common theme 20 or 30 years ago that runners at small tracks who raced only on weekends, and for short meets especially, would run on consecutive days.

A few horses dotted around would win on consecutive days, and they would make a big deal of it whenever it happened.

I can recall one horse in the mid-1980's who started 9 times in a month, at a race meet that probably had 12 or 14 dates that month. The horse ran 19 times in a 42-day race meet and shipped to somewhere else for 3 starts during that season.

In addition, to prep for that endeavor, he raced 3 times in 3 days at a small meet which only had 3 race days.

Beginning a 4 1/2-month period, the horse ran those 3 consecutive days, and then on 6 separate occasions he ran on 2 consecutive days during those 4 1/2 months.


If they can bring harness horses back for 2 or more heats in a day, a Thoroughbred running 2 days in a row should be a non-issue. Furthermore, while horse racing has devolved considerably over the past 30 years, the fitness of the average horse probably hasn't deteriorated at anywhere near to the same trajectory.


Because purses are so much more significant today than they were decades ago, particularly for the cheaper set, the seeming urgency for horses to run so often has diminished considerably in most circles. That just doesn't apply as much to the horses on tiny fair circuits. Although in Oregon the purses at the fairs are boosted by the account wagering companies who have hubs in that state.
AskinHaskin is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 07-15-2017, 12:05 PM   #9
Nutz and Boltz
Mad as hell !
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Bridgeport, CT
Posts: 1,136
Quote:
Originally Posted by WALLENDA View Post
Anytime I see his name I think of Jacksonport and Federal Funds..
I think of Peat Moss , who he trained to almost beat John Henry with odds,that I think, were like 50-1.
Nutz and Boltz is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 07-15-2017, 12:29 PM   #10
RunForTheRoses
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 4,149
Quote:
Originally Posted by WALLENDA View Post
Anytime I see his name I think of Jacksonport and Federal Funds..


Me too (and Peat Moss and Gil Puentes). I was at Aqueduct when Jacksonport won a minor stake. Had claimed him from Thomas Bohannon and Loblolly.
RunForTheRoses is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 07-15-2017, 01:35 PM   #11
betovernetcapper
Registered User
 
betovernetcapper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: ARIZONA
Posts: 2,145
From 1800-to 1850, racing was conducted in 2 to 4 mile heats, & the first horse to win two heats was the winner. These were conducted on the same day & with multiple horses you could have 3 or more heats on the same day.
By those standards racing 2 races on consecutive days is a piece of cake.
__________________
The fan base demographics are not particularly positive," he said. "I guess we can either risk alienating them or letting them die off. " -Bob Evans 6/25/2007

My posts & letters & avatars & whatever reflect solely my own world view- Born in 1948 and never an I.C.E. visit
betovernetcapper is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 07-15-2017, 02:59 PM   #12
dilanesp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
My favorite it Woody winning the Met Mile in 1:33 and chsnge with Conquistador Cielo, and then coming back 5 days later to win the Belmont by the length of the grandstand.
dilanesp is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 07-15-2017, 05:06 PM   #13
VeryOldMan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 969
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp View Post
My favorite it Woody winning the Met Mile in 1:33 and chsnge with Conquistador Cielo, and then coming back 5 days later to win the Belmont by the length of the grandstand.
+1

CC is my all-time favorite short rest example, and he put up an achievement that modern day horses will never match.
VeryOldMan is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 07-16-2017, 10:16 AM   #14
sour grapes
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 248
cant be done anymore

as the races are now on the same day instead of 5 days apart.

Last edited by sour grapes; 07-16-2017 at 10:17 AM.
sour grapes is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 07-17-2017, 03:05 PM   #15
Hambletonian
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 341
I have actually been to the Crooked River Roundup...and many other fairs, and racing on even consecutive days is not completely unheard of. Keep in mind they are running sprints on a short track, and these fair jockeys out west take it easy on the turns, so you are full out for 2-3 furlongs at best.

Also note that as these fairs scramble to fill fields, you end up with many entrants racing out of conditions, like an open race with maidens and NW2L types. Allowance races open to the world, etc. Many uncompetitive entrants, leading to less than taxing runs for the winners. I would say if the horse did not race well first time out I would not look for much improvement a day later.

Steelwood, of whom I am sure more than a few folks here remember from back in the day, won consecutive races at Keystone and Pocono Downs, when the racing secretary at the latter apparently refused to allow him to scratch.
Hambletonian is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Reply




Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

» Advertisement
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:35 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 1999 - 2023 -- PaceAdvantage.Com -- All Rights Reserved
We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program
designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.