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08-17-2018, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
A draft-dodging president, who is eager to flaunt his country's military might.
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There were 12 Presidents who did not serve in the military:
John Adams,
John Quincy Adams,
Martin Van Buren,
Grover Cleveland,
William H. Taft,
Woodrow Wilson - did OK in WWI
Warren G. Harding,
Calvin Coolidge,
Herbert C. Hoover,
Franklin D. Roosevelt Did ok in WWII
William J. Clinton - allowed Al Qeda to grow pull off 9/11
Barack H. Obama - allowed ISIS to grow, screwed up the Arab Spring and left US diplomats to die and knowingly allowed RUSSIANS to hack the election, and drew pink lines in the sand and then backed down sending a bad message to the world.
Sometimes, the results are mixed.
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08-17-2018, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
There were 12 Presidents who did not serve in the military:
John Adams,
John Quincy Adams,
Martin Van Buren,
Grover Cleveland,
William H. Taft,
Woodrow Wilson - did OK in WWI
Warren G. Harding,
Calvin Coolidge,
Herbert C. Hoover,
Franklin D. Roosevelt Did ok in WWII
William J. Clinton - allowed Al Qeda to grow pull off 9/11
Barack H. Obama - allowed ISIS to grow, screwed up the Arab Spring and left US diplomats die
Sometimes, the results are mixed.
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FDR served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy and played a pretty interesting role in the development of the Navy we see today.
He actually requested to serve during WWI but Wilson denied his request asking that he remain with the Department.
Fun Fact.
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08-17-2018, 02:10 PM
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But he did not serve.
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08-17-2018, 02:15 PM
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But he did not serve.
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Wasn't arguing that he didn't.
Just a interesting side-note. He had requested a Rank and Post but was denied by the President.
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08-17-2018, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Wasn't arguing that he didn't.
Just a interesting side-note. He had requested a Rank and Post but was denied by the President.
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I think Obama requested the same from ISIL.....
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08-17-2018, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
There were 12 Presidents who did not serve in the military:
John Adams,
John Quincy Adams,
Martin Van Buren,
Grover Cleveland,
William H. Taft,
Woodrow Wilson - did OK in WWI
Warren G. Harding,
Calvin Coolidge,
Herbert C. Hoover,
Franklin D. Roosevelt Did ok in WWII
William J. Clinton - allowed Al Qeda to grow pull off 9/11
You have got to be kidding me. Clinton warned Bush about Al Qaeda and Muslim terrorists. Strongly. Bush chose to ignore him and concentrate on a nonexistent nuclear threat from Russia. It was Bush who convened one meeting of the terrorism threat unit in the eight months prior to 9-11. Or maybe it was no meetings.
Barack H. Obama - allowed ISIS to grow, screwed up the Arab Spring and left US diplomats to die and knowingly allowed RUSSIANS to hack the election, and drew pink lines in the sand and then backed down sending a bad message to the world.
Sometimes, the results are mixed.
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That is even dumber than your comments about Clinton. Except for Syria, ISIS was a nonfactor when Obama left office. Trump is merely mopping up. Nobody allowed US diplomats to die, except in the sense that Republican controlled congresses refused to sufficiently fund security at diplomatic installations. Obama initiated strong sanctions and diplomatic punishments against Russia when the hacking was revealed. He knowingly allowed nothing. Trump benefitted from the hacking, which he unquestionably knew about even before it happened.
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08-17-2018, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
There were 12 Presidents who did not serve in the military:
John Adams,
John Quincy Adams,
Martin Van Buren,
Grover Cleveland,
William H. Taft,
Woodrow Wilson - did OK in WWI
Warren G. Harding,
Calvin Coolidge,
Herbert C. Hoover,
Franklin D. Roosevelt Did ok in WWII
William J. Clinton - allowed Al Qeda to grow pull off 9/11
Barack H. Obama - allowed ISIS to grow, screwed up the Arab Spring and left US diplomats to die and knowingly allowed RUSSIANS to hack the election, and drew pink lines in the sand and then backed down sending a bad message to the world.
Sometimes, the results are mixed.
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Of the presidents since Truman who served in the military, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, and George HW Bush served in combat or in combat zones.
George W. Bush served in the Texas Air National Guard.
Ronald Reagan spent his service doing what he did in civilian life. Making movies for the Defense Department-or whatever it was called in those days.
Not that doing so was not an important contribution.
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08-17-2018, 03:47 PM
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Trump benefitted from the hacking, which he unquestionably knew about even before it happened.
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As an unelected citizen, he was not in a position to do anything about it.
0bama was and failed to do so.
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08-17-2018, 03:48 PM
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Of the presidents since Truman who served in the military, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, and George HW Bush served in combat or in combat zones.
George W. Bush served in the Texas Air National Guard.
Ronald Reagan spent his service doing what he did in civilian life. Making movies for the Defense Department-or whatever it was called in those days.
Not that doing so was not an important contribution.
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Cool dude.
Got any more irrelevant facts to post?
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08-17-2018, 09:00 PM
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That is even dumber than your comments about Clinton. Except for Syria, ISIS was a nonfactor when Obama left office. Trump is merely mopping up. Nobody allowed US diplomats to die, except in the sense that Republican controlled congresses refused to sufficiently fund security at diplomatic installations. Obama initiated strong sanctions and diplomatic punishments against Russia when the hacking was revealed. He knowingly allowed nothing. Trump benefitted from the hacking, which he unquestionably knew about even before it happened.
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You are right, 0bama left pools of red blood in the sand. ISIS was always a nonfactor during 0bama administration, because he was funding it.
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08-17-2018, 10:34 PM
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If, ah, uh, if, uh, I had a ah, uh, son, he could look, uh, like, uh, THEM!
No terrorist left behind.
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08-17-2018, 10:52 PM
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You are right, 0bama left pools of red blood in the sand. ISIS was always a nonfactor during 0bama administration, because he was funding it.
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How did Obama fund ISIS?
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08-17-2018, 11:00 PM
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How did Obama fund ISIL?
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FTFY..
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08-17-2018, 11:11 PM
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FTFY..
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Same thing.
How did he fund it?
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08-17-2018, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Same thing.
How did he fund it?
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The weapons CIA was smuggling through Benghazi Libya were meant for ISIL.
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