Italy turns....more to come....

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Why do you want the EU to blow up?

The less centralized the power the more free the citizens.

It's basically the states rights vs. federal government argument at a higher level.

If there is one currency, more centrally located power in Germany, one set of rules, etc.. if the people at the top are idiots they could destroy the currency or economy. If you disagree with them strongly on policy you are trapped.

If the European Union falls apart and everyone goes back to their own currency, the countries can continue to trade and have good relations, but if you happen to live in a pinhead country there's still a good chance at least a few of the others are being run well. You could move your assets there or even physically relocate there and be fine.

The option to vote with your feet and money expands your freedom.

[reckless]

Italy is ending this migrant invasion because Italian men love and protect their families and will fight to the end for their well-being. Italian men love and respect their parents, grandparents, wives, girlfriends, children and grandchildren, unlike most of Europe.

Italy is also historically independent and they have had enough of the corrupt EU telling them what to do and how to live. This means Italy wants to remain a sovereign country, so no more migrants.

This cannot be said of the rest of the EU countries, mostly, but especially by the three leading EU leaders Merkel, May and Macron.

How could these three really care about the future of Europe and their individual countries when none of these 'leaders' are grandparents. If they had young families they would want to leave a better country for them when they die -- but without that they simply do not care. So, in the end, thanks to them allowing this Muslim invasion, a future Europe is guaranteed -- for destruction.

Italy does care and it is great they do.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

The less centralized the power the more free the citizens.

It's basically the states rights vs. federal government argument at a higher level.

If there is one currency, more centrally located power in Germany, one set of rules, etc.. if the people at the top are idiots they could destroy the currency or economy. If you disagree with them strongly on policy you are trapped.

If the European Union falls apart and everyone goes back to their own currency, the countries can continue to trade and have good relations, but if you happen to live in a pinhead country there's still a good chance at least a few of the others are being run well. You could move your assets there or even physically relocate there and be fine.

The option to vote with your feet and money expands your freedom.

I cannot even begin to square this with the "taking it up the rear" in trade for the past 30 years...

Tip of the hat.

The EU actually enables you to move with your feet and money faster... but I digress...

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by reckless

This cannot be said of the rest of the EU countries, mostly, but especially by the three leading EU leaders Merkel, May and Macron.

So you googled whether or not May was a grandparent but missed everything about the Brexit?

[Valuist]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

I cannot even begin to square this with the "taking it up the rear" in trade for the past 30 years...

Tip of the hat.

The EU actually enables you to move with your feet and money faster... but I digress...

The EU was a terrible idea from day 1 and still continues to be a terrible idea. Northern and southern Europe are just too dissimilar.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

The EU actually enables you to move with your feet and money faster... but I digress...

It enables you to move your money and feet as long as you are happy with rules made by other countries and holding your wealth in the same currency no matter where you go in Europe.

In other words, if much of what the US government does was at the state level, each state would implement different laws, promises etc.. That would make some states more attractive to you personally than others. Others may find other states more attractive. You all would then have the freedom to choose the state and rules you find most responsible and attractive. That's a high degree of freedom.

As it is, we are free to move ourselves and our money around, but if the party in charge of our country screws things up by over promising or implementing bad policy every state will go down because we are all part of the same programs. You can't vote with your feet to the same extent. You are less free.

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by snappit

What exactly do you mean by 'population wise they are lost'?

Over run. infected areas. Sharia law. They have lost their voice or when they have one it is being ignored.

These are my opinions, they may differ from yours. Which are.....

[snappit]

Originally Posted by reckless

Italy is ending this migrant invasion because Italian men love and protect their families and will fight to the end for their well-being. Italian men love and respect their parents, grandparents, wives, girlfriends, children and grandchildren, unlike most of Europe.

Italy is also historically independent and they have had enough of the corrupt EU telling them what to do and how to live. This means Italy wants to remain a sovereign country, so no more migrants.

This cannot be said of the rest of the EU countries, mostly, but especially by the three leading EU leaders Merkel, May and Macron.

How could these three really care about the future of Europe and their individual countries when none of these 'leaders' are grandparents. If they had young families they would want to leave a better country for them when they die -- but without that they simply do not care. So, in the end, thanks to them allowing this Muslim invasion, a future Europe is guaranteed -- for destruction.

Italy does care and it is great they do.

Are you serious? Are you really trying to say that people in other countries don't love and respect their families? You say Italy has had enough of the EU telling them what to do and how to live, yet their is no public debate in Italy about leaving the EU and latest polls say 60% support the EU which means free movement of people and migration from other EU nations. How can you say that May is a leading EU leader when the UK is leaving next year (unfortunately)?

[snappit]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

Over run. infected areas. Sharia law. They have lost their voice or when they have one it is being ignored.

These are my opinions, they may differ from yours. Which are.....

Over run? What the f*** do you mean by that? Infected areas? Islam isn't a disease. And as for Sharia law, I don't know what to say. No one has lost their voice. You've clearly been watching too much Fox news and reading Breitbart nonsense.

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by snappit

Over run? What the f*** do you mean by that? Infected areas? Islam isn't a disease. And as for Sharia law, I don't know what to say. No one has lost their voice. You've clearly been watching too much Fox news and reading Breitbart nonsense.

Dont watch Fox or read Breitbart. Good to hear you are living utopia.

[reckless]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

So you googled whether or not May was a grandparent but missed everything about the Brexit?

No child, I didn't need need to google anything, unlike you. I posted on here years ago that she was childless; as I knew the same of Merkel, and, of course, the baby Macron, who married his old rapist and child abuser.

The UK is still in the EU at this time, which is May's undoing. Until the UK is gone, they are still in the EU so trying to correct me on this matter is only another juvenile attempt by you to simply troll the issue.

You surely post a lot on matters you are clueless, don't you?

[reckless]

Originally Posted by snappit

Are you serious? Are you really trying to say that people in other countries don't love and respect their families? You say Italy has had enough of the EU telling them what to do and how to live, yet their is no public debate in Italy about leaving the EU and latest polls say 60% support the EU which means free movement of people and migration from other EU nations. How can you say that May is a leading EU leader when the UK is leaving next year (unfortunately)?

Well if people in other countries loved families as much as Italian men do, then why is the UK now basically Muslim? Same with Germany and France. The muslims and migrants in those countries do not assimilate to the laws and mores of those countries that accepted them.

Ask the citizens of Paris, London, Stockholm and Cologne if their lives are better now that there is an overwhelming Muslim population there. Especially ask the women there who were raped and abused by migrants and the Jewish families who are leaving in droves about this as well.

Years ago, many French abandoned their elderly parents and grandparents so that they could vacation in Southern France. It was during a sweltering heat wave and many of these elderly men and women died from the heat ... alone, while their kids had a great ol' time.

Yes, I do not believe other countries love and respect or treat their families in the same loving manner and way as Italians do their families.

The only poll that counts, is the 'poll' taken on election day. And the Italians voted for a government and PM that campaigned on ending this suicide mission of open borders and unfettered immigration. That's all you need to know, truthfully.

[snappit]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

Dont watch Fox or read Breitbart. Good to hear you are living utopia.

Notice you haven't qualified 'over run' and 'sharia law' (I'll treat infected areas with the contempt it deserves).

[snappit]

Originally Posted by reckless

Well if people in other countries loved families as much as Italian men do, then why is the UK now basically Muslim? Same with Germany and France. The muslims and migrants in those countries do not assimilate to the laws and mores of those countries that accepted them.

Ask the citizens of Paris, London, Stockholm and Cologne if their lives are better now that there is an overwhelming Muslim population there. Especially ask the women there who were raped and abused by migrants and the Jewish families who are leaving in droves about this as well.

Years ago, many French abandoned their elderly parents and grandparents so that they could vacation in Southern France. It was during a sweltering heat wave and many of these elderly men and women died from the heat ... alone, while their kids had a great ol' time.

Yes, I do not believe other countries love and respect or treat their families in the same loving manner and way as Italians do their families.

The only poll that counts, is the 'poll' taken on election day. And the Italians voted for a government and PM that campaigned on ending this suicide mission of open borders and unfettered immigration. That's all you need to know, truthfully.

What do you mean basically Muslim and overwhelming Muslim population? Where do you read this nonsense?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by snappit

Over run? What the f*** do you mean by that? Infected areas? Islam isn't a disease. And as for Sharia law, I don't know what to say. No one has lost their voice. You've clearly been watching too much Fox news and reading Breitbart nonsense.

How about AP? Would you accept AP?

https://www.apnews.com/438bb0ac98d04459ab2e392f3c4fc5ef