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09-03-2018, 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey
Don't kid yourself, Mostie, the NSA has the ability to tap into your personal phone line and listen to each and every word you utter...phone companies had this ability already as early as 1970, maybe earlier, for sure...content is hugely important, so what if x phoned y on such and such a date...if you don't know what the content was what good is that...? Content is king, and they know it...
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I don't doubt they have the ability, but I very much doubt if they have the motivation. No matter how much storage space they have, do you think they can store 6,000,000,000 calls a day. That is 2,900,000,000,000 calls a year. In a few years that adds up to a big number. And for what? So the government can listen to you talk? You are not that important.
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09-03-2018, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey
Don't kid yourself, Mostie, the NSA has the ability to tap into your personal phone line and listen to each and every word you utter...phone companies had this ability already as early as 1970, maybe earlier, for sure...content is hugely important, so what if x phoned y on such and such a date...if you don't know what the content was what good is that...? Content is king, and they know it...
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To answer your question which I highlighted, that information along with other information can be used to obtain warrants to tap the phones of the people involved. For example, an intelligence agency might get word of a pending terrorist attack and know the identities of a few of the people involved, but not know the nature of the attack nor when and where it will occur. If they can show that some of those people are speaking to each other they can get a FISA warrant. so knowing who is speaking to who and when can be critically important.
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09-03-2018, 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mostpost
To answer your question which I highlighted, that information along with other information can be used to obtain warrants to tap the phones of the people involved. For example, an intelligence agency might get word of a pending terrorist attack and know the identities of a few of the people involved, but not know the nature of the attack nor when and where it will occur. If they can show that some of those people are speaking to each other they can get a FISA warrant. so knowing who is speaking to who and when can be critically important.
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they need to get a warrant to use the information obtained in a court case - all of the other info they have, was not 'legally' obtained.
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09-03-2018, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mostpost
To answer your question which I highlighted, that information along with other information can be used to obtain warrants to tap the phones of the people involved. For example, an intelligence agency might get word of a pending terrorist attack and know the identities of a few of the people involved, but not know the nature of the attack nor when and where it will occur. If they can show that some of those people are speaking to each other they can get a FISA warrant. so knowing who is speaking to who and when can be critically important.
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Yes, we have learned that they store the x to y records only, that's what they tell us anyway ( or what Ed Snowden revealed for us)... And yes you are right that knowing who and when x contacted y can be important. But the content is what is supremely important, which is what they are after to begin with, no doubt have the ability to acquire, and go to FISC to do LEGALLY to get a conviction in court...
Who knows, maybe the actually content is stored but only on a temporary basis and drops out after a certain time...and yes, myself and most people are nobody important and law abiding, good citizens whose daily phone conversations are mundane and nonthreatening, but that is not the point...
...the point is the illegality and breach of ethics that the NSA does routinely and on a gross scale and that is to listen in on virtually anyone WITHOUT a FISA warrant anytime they feel like it...and the scope and breadth of the operations on a global scale, and the fact many large telecoms and large corporations are secret partners is truly alarming... It points to a permanent deep state that has nothing to do with democratic or republican ideals, but is totalitarian in nature and in fact...knowing the content of what foreigners say is critical also is running secret operations worldwide without the pretense of democratic ideals to hinder them...
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09-03-2018, 08:25 PM
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Last edited by fast4522; 09-03-2018 at 08:28 PM.
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09-03-2018, 08:33 PM
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That picture you posted is a fake. The Utah data center doesn't look anything like that and there is certainly no sign outside saying "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear." But I understand why you might be fooled. It fits so well into your paranoid world view.
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Dang, just go to that picture from the government website.
https://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/
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09-03-2018, 08:45 PM
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Ummm...that's a parody website if I'm not mistaken...you been duped?
And if that popup that greets you didn't tip you off, nothing will.
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09-03-2018, 10:12 PM
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"The NSA is constantly seeking to expand its capabilities without limits. They're currently storing so much, and preparing to store so much more, that they have to build a massive, sprawling new facility in Utah just to hold all the communications from inside the US and around the world that they are collecting - communications they then have the physical ability to invade any time they want ("Collect it all, tag it, store it. . . . And whatever it is you want, you go searching for it").
That is the definition of a ubiquitous surveillance state - and it's been built in the dark, without the knowledge of the American people or people around the world, even though it's aimed at them. How anyone could think this should have all remained concealed - that it would have been better had it just been left to fester and grow in the dark - is truly mystifying."
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...collect-it-all
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09-03-2018, 10:39 PM
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all the way at the bottom of the first page ->
This is a parody of nsa.gov and has not been approved, endorsed, or authorized by the National Security Agency or by any other U.S. Government agency.
Much of this content was derived from news media, privacy groups, and government websites. Links to these sites are posted on the left-sidebars of each page.
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09-04-2018, 09:08 AM
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all the way at the bottom of the first page ->
This is a parody of nsa.gov and has not been approved, endorsed, or authorized by the National Security Agency or by any other U.S. Government agency.
Much of this content was derived from news media, privacy groups, and government websites. Links to these sites are posted on the left-sidebars of each page. |
Good catch.
Garbage in, garbage out. 
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09-05-2018, 02:28 AM
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Good video on FISA court
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09-05-2018, 12:00 PM
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#57
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Another idiotic "Q" video.
I give up.
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09-05-2018, 12:09 PM
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Another idiotic "Q" video.
I give up.
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If only you indeed would “give up” ...but your self-assured mission is to enlighten us by berating and belittling us...
So many here at PA have tried to explain things and be nice to you, but you continue to be condescending...do you really think you CAN “give up”...without us, you wouldn’t know what to do with yourself...maybe you should really try and truly give up...
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09-05-2018, 12:17 PM
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I give up.
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We should be so lucky.
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09-05-2018, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey
If only you indeed would “give up” ...but your self-assured mission is to enlighten us by berating and belittling us...
So many here at PA have tried to explain things and be nice to you, but you continue to be condescending...do you really think you CAN “give up”...without us, you wouldn’t know what to do with yourself...maybe you should really try and truly give up...
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You conspiracy theorists "berate" way more than I ever did or do. You can dish out the disrespect, bur can't take me calling you gents conspiracy theorists.
I asked you to find a c theory by a fringe alt right source that turned out true. "Q" hardly fits that. Or are you now buying into "Q" as truth?
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