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10-16-2018, 10:29 PM
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Plausible deniability?
1. Saudi Arabia has probability of zero with respect to credibility. They murder something like 47 people a day or a week or a month, for various charges. That is their nation, their laws, and their business.
If you didn't know that, why are you complaining now about what they have been doing...and yes the World has known that?
But now a journalist has disappeared, probably murdered.
2. That journalist was an Arabian citizen, a man who befriended Osama bin laden no less.
Why aren't you complaining here about Arabia's miserable heinous treatment of other citizens for years?
Yes the American Government has known about Arabia's savagery for decades, as has every other country in the world.
3. The Arabian journalist was supposedly killed, assassinated if you wish, by Arabians.
The "dirty deed" was done on Arabian soil.
(Technically, the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Turkey is theoretically under Arabia. I hope that you understand that.)
4. If a murder tonight against a foreign ambassador takes place in Chicago,
or Las Vegas, should that country call for sanctions against the United States?
My Opinion:
Arabia is what it is.
I wouldn't live there. I don't agree with their values.
But it's their country and if their citizens don't like how their Government behaves that is their business to do something about it.
Not Ireland's, not Rwanda's, not Sweden's, not the U.S.A.'s and certainly not your's or mine even if we think that it is egregious.
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Quite a moving target we've got... we'll start here:
If this was carried out at the D.C. Embassy of the Saudi Government you wouldn't care?
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10-16-2018, 10:30 PM
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If we are going to go after them for killing this one guy, when why have we not gone after them for the countless murder they do all thetime, and for their woman slavery history?
This one idiot is hardly a concern.
WE don't even know is he is dead.
FanDan assured us he left the building.
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10-16-2018, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
If we are going to go after them for killing this one guy, when why have we not gone after them for the countless murder they do all thetime, and for their woman slavery history?
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Because the whole world knows they killed this one guy...
Internal politics are internal politics. Carrying out extra-territorial assassination is different.
Had they actually done this with even the slightest bit of decorum we wouldn't have to do anything. However, because its an international story now we have our credibility to maintain.
Just like Syria... its the same talk. "You guys messed up pretty bad. We actually have to do something. Its just business and no hard feelings."
Then you cancel some arms shipments or something... the world doesn't end... hell our relationship doesn't even need to change... mistakes were made and punishments have to be doled out.
The calculus still remains the same... the United States will not condone egregious extra-territorial political assassination.
Its really that simple.
Last edited by elysiantraveller; 10-16-2018 at 10:39 PM.
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10-16-2018, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
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The calculus still remains the same... the United States will not condone egregious extra-territorial political assassination.
Its really that simple.
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Simple? Maybe.
Of course the U.S values are against that.
Tells us why you and the MSM are demanding immediate action TODAY as to what has been taking place in other countries, and maybe America, for all we know, by clandestine Secret Government Agencies?
Don't let fear and common sense hold you back.
State your case.
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10-16-2018, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Greyfox
Simple? Maybe.
Of course the U.S values are against that.
Tells us why you and the MSM are demanding immediate action TODAY as to what has been taking place in other countries, and maybe America, for all we know, by clandestine Secret Government Agencies?
Don't let fear and common sense hold you back.
State your case.
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When in the hell did I say today?
Go back and reread my posts on this thread. You are simply trying to manufacture an argument.
Now you've moved goalposts again. I want it done yesterday.
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10-16-2018, 11:53 PM
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Okay... the Guy was doing the Double Sword Dance of Death and slipped and fell. Plausible deniability.
I mean they bought that Vince Foster shot himself twice in THE HEAD.
Or that Seth Rich was mugged but nothing stolen.... so this can't be a big reach.
But I agree if he was not a Special Person... (Journalist) this would not be as BIG A DEAL as they are making it.
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10-17-2018, 12:00 AM
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Okay... the Guy was doing the Double Sword Dance of Death and slipped and fell. Plausible deniability.
I mean they bought that Vince Foster shot himself twice in THE HEAD.
Or that Seth Rich was mugged but nothing stolen.... so this can't be a big reach.
But I agree if he was not a Special Person... (Journalist) this would not be as BIG A DEAL as they are making it.
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This isn't a partisan thing.
As much as people want to make it one... it isn't.
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10-17-2018, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
This isn't a partisan thing.
As much as people want to make it one... it isn't.
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Duh?
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10-17-2018, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
This isn't a partisan thing.
As much as people want to make it one... it isn't.
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Where did I mention any party... I said they ( referring Media ). But I guess... your right they are partisan.
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10-17-2018, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
When in the hell did I say today?
Go back and reread my posts on this thread. You are simply trying to manufacture an argument.
Now you've moved goalposts again. I want it done yesterday.
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I'm not manufacturing anything or moving goalposts.
This is an Arab affair. Arabs killing an Arab citizen...albeit in
Turkey in what is an embassy that is theoretically Arabian soil.
Believe it or not Ripley!
State your case. What is the "It" that you want done yesterday? Why?
Please state your case here including why America should give a shite now?
(Anybody who doesn't realize that Saudi Arabia, China, and many other countries have been ignoring Human Rights Conventions for years is an Idiot!) So why bring this up about an Arab journalist now?
State your case.
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10-17-2018, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Greyfox
I'm not manufacturing anything or moving goalposts.
This is an Arab affair. Arabs killing an Arab citizen...albeit in
Turkey in what is an embassy that is theoretically Arabian soil.
Believe it or not Ripley!
State your case. What is the "It" that you want done yesterday? Why?
Please state your case here including why America should give a shite now?
(Anybody who doesn't realize that Saudi Arabia, China, and many other countries have been ignoring Human Rights Conventions for years is an Idiot!) So why bring this up about an Arab journalist now?
State your case.
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I have stated it several times.
You either can't or are choosing to ignore it.
So one more time really slow... you can't go around the world very loudly killing your political enemies without repercussions. The United States doesn't/can't/won't allow that.
Everything else you and anybody else is throwing out is just noise.
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10-17-2018, 08:15 AM
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I'd like to know what the Saudi's have on us. After 9-11 and their involvement. Now this. It's more than oil. Whatever it is come clean get it out in the open and hold these people accountable.
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10-17-2018, 09:47 AM
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What if that wasn't really Jamal K who walked into the Embassy but a body double? With the amount of deception we are seeing lately I'd say it is very possible , This whole event has been so over the top in its premanufactured narrative, as in ALL the media trying to drive a schism between U.S.,K.S.A. and Iran.All the talk of body-saws cut up parts etc. show me the video already Turkey if you have what you scream out you have.
Too manufactured to be true? Sounds too cut and dried for me.
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10-17-2018, 01:28 PM
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Sounds too cut and dried for me
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I think you meant to say cut and died. Looks like the kill team did an autopsy on this guy while he was still alive, and played music real loud to drown out his screams.
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10-17-2018, 05:10 PM
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And up until this, Sorry Arabia has not done anything violent or evil?
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