Gomez chooses to ride

[point given]

Announcement on sunday whether it will be Dunkirk or Pioneer . BUT , there is an article on NTRA by Gomez on his anaylsis of the two horses and their running styles . Seems as if he has concerns of POTN pulling himself up after making the lead in races.

http://www.ntra.com/blog.aspx?blogid...month=4&day=16

[joanied]

Originally Posted by point given

Announcement on sunday whether it will be Dunkirk or Pioneer . BUT , there is an article on NTRA by Gomez on his anaylsis of the two horses and their running styles . Seems as if he has concerns of POTN pulling himself up after making the lead in races.

http://www.ntra.com/blog.aspx?blogid...month=4&day=16

PT...thanks for posting this...it's a great read and very insightful...Gomez on SB now will be interesting...I'm a Mike Smith fan, but I was not at all surprised to read that IEAH is going to Gomez for her...

as for the Derby...he has good things to say about both colts (DUH)...and it's nice to be able to weigh the pros & cons of both horses via the jockey's experience with each of them...
I am in hopes he decides on Pioneer...because I seriously doubt any other rider can keep him going when he starts loafing...it was almost funny watching Gomez in the SA Derby...he was all over Pioneer to keep him going..IMO...that was one of the best rides I've seen in a long time.

Hey Gomez...please choose the Pioneer

[point given]

Originally Posted by joanied

PT...thanks for posting this...it's a great read and very insightful...Gomez on SB now will be interesting...I'm a Mike Smith fan, but I was not at all surprised to read that IEAH is going to Gomez for her...

as for the Derby...he has good things to say about both colts (DUH)...and it's nice to be able to weigh the pros & cons of both horses via the jockey's experience with each of them...
I am in hopes he decides on Pioneer...because I seriously doubt any other rider can keep him going when he starts loafing...it was almost funny watching Gomez in the SA Derby...he was all over Pioneer to keep him going..IMO...that was one of the best rides I've seen in a long time.

Hey Gomez...please choose the Pioneer

Hey , JD, I think he is torn because he knows Dunkirk has more upside down the road, like the Travers/BC . Pioneer is more developed though but a tougher ride .

http://video.yahoo.com/network/10006...39&l=100063517 check out susan boyle on this clip, non horse related, hotest thing going.

[Relwob Owner]

Originally Posted by point given

Hey , JD, I think he is torn because he knows Dunkirk has more upside down the road, like the Travers/BC . Pioneer is more developed though but a tougher ride .

http://video.yahoo.com/network/10006...39&l=100063517 check out susan boyle on this clip, non horse related, hotest thing going.

I gotta be honest....I kind of feel like Dunkirk is like the kid right out of high school or after a year in college who is hyped for the NBA and everyone talks about his "upside" and "potential" while he hasnt done that much on the court....my two cents is that this is one of the most overhyped horses in recent memory....also, the horse is obviously really well bred and will probably not have too long of a career(quick to the breeding shed) and we will end up looking back on him and wondering what all the fuss was about....just an opinion....

[Mineshaft]

Originally Posted by point given

Hey , JD, I think he is torn because he knows Dunkirk has more upside down the road, like the Travers/BC . Pioneer is more developed though but a tougher ride .

http://video.yahoo.com/network/10006...39&l=100063517 check out susan boyle on this clip, non horse related, hotest thing going.

Your exactly right on your assesment of both horses.

[toussaud]

other things... POTN is bigger than dunkirk. Baffert and gomez do alot more together (that i know of) than pletcher and gomez do.

And personally, at least we don't KNOW if quality road can beat POTN. POTN is a tad bit more versitle than Dunkirk, which means he is more liekly to get a better trip. Dunkirk is a stone cold closer that will come from the clouds and make a swooping move and hope he has enough steam to pass horses, POTN can be somewhat placed where he needs to be.

Plus I'll take baffert getting a horse ready for the derby > Dunkirk

the only thing making this a hard choice is ESPN

[Relwob Owner]

Originally Posted by toussaud

other things... POTN is bigger than dunkirk. Baffert and gomez do alot more together (that i know of) than pletcher and gomez do.

And personally, at least we don't KNOW if quality road can beat POTN. POTN is a tad bit more versitle than Dunkirk, which means he is more liekly to get a better trip. Dunkirk is a stone cold closer that will come from the clouds and make a swooping move and hope he has enough steam to pass horses, POTN can be somewhat placed where he needs to be.

Plus I'll take baffert getting a horse ready for the derby > Dunkirk

the only thing making this a hard choice is ESPN

[joanied]

Originally Posted by point given

Hey , JD, I think he is torn because he knows Dunkirk has more upside down the road, like the Travers/BC . Pioneer is more developed though but a tougher ride .

http://video.yahoo.com/network/10006...39&l=100063517 check out susan boyle on this clip, non horse related, hotest thing going.

Hey PT... first...the video clip...I didn't know her name, so figured it was some hot babe in the clip...I went over to watch it because I didn't want to be rude...pleasant surprise, PT... I did see her on Fox news just the other day...she could use a makeover, but man, can she sing...brilliant

Back to Gomez...your take on this is pretty good...but IMHO...both colts have upsides down the road...either one could take the Travers/BC...Pioneer is sort of a freak...he developed beautifully as a colt that is still a 2 year old and will continue to develope as he matures age wise...did that make sense?
Dunkirk, IMHO...is maybe a bit over rated...he sure has that monsterous late kick...but in the Derby, I don't know...he'll have to find the room to get clear of 19 other colts...whereas Pioneer can pretty much be placed anywhere, has an incredible turn of foot...yes, he's a difficult horse to ride, but hey...I think for some Derby glory, Gomez shouldn't mind having to ride his ass off for maybe a 1/8th or 1/16th of a mile

[joanied]

Originally Posted by Relwob Owner

I gotta be honest....I kind of feel like Dunkirk is like the kid right out of high school or after a year in college who is hyped for the NBA and everyone talks about his "upside" and "potential" while he hasnt done that much on the court....my two cents is that this is one of the most overhyped horses in recent memory....also, the horse is obviously really well bred and will probably not have too long of a career(quick to the breeding shed) and we will end up looking back on him and wondering what all the fuss was about....just an opinion....

Crap...shoulda read your post, Relwob, before I replied to Point Given...I also said I beleive Dunkirk is a bit over rated...and you are correct...he won't be around for long...what'd they pay for him...3 million+...gotta start gettin' some of that money back in stud fees

[Relwob Owner]

Originally Posted by joanied

Crap...shoulda read your post, Relwob, before I replied to Point Given...I also said I beleive Dunkirk is a bit over rated...and you are correct...he won't be around for long...what'd they pay for him...3 million+...gotta start gettin' some of that money back in stud fees

I dunno-it is going to be interesting, thats for sure---I just get frustrated when people still talk abt Dunkirk and less about the other horses have accomplished so much....oh well, I hope we get Garrett tomorrow!

[lamboguy]

if he don't take dunkirk you can read into it that there is a problem with dunkirk after skipping the last work.

dunkirk will be bet down with or without gogo. got to think gogo will be on the derby winner this year whichever one he chooses. or should i say ron anderson chooses.

[point given]

Originally Posted by Relwob Owner

I gotta be honest....I kind of feel like Dunkirk is like the kid right out of high school or after a year in college who is hyped for the NBA and everyone talks about his "upside" and "potential" while he hasnt done that much on the court....my two cents is that this is one of the most overhyped horses in recent memory....also, the horse is obviously really well bred and will probably not have too long of a career(quick to the breeding shed) and we will end up looking back on him and wondering what all the fuss was about....just an opinion....

you may be right, but there is always a Lebron to point to as the exception.

[Relwob Owner]

Originally Posted by point given

you may be right, but there is always a Lebron to point to as the exception.

Garnett too...Amare...Kobe.....Dwight Howard....maybe my analogy wasnt so great!

[Robert Fischer]

I'll be very surprised if Gomez isn't on Dunkirk.

[toussaud]

something else someone just pointed out

everyone talks about all this upside dunkirk has


PIONEER OF THE NILE IS STILL 2!!!!!

shoot he won't be 3 until the week before the belmont


and the sad part is, i actually LIKE dunkirk but this dunkirk hype is crazy. he's a freaking allowence winner going into the kentucky derby and this jockey is seriously debating on who to ride.