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View Poll Results: Mega Barn "Super" Trainers are............... (You can choose more than one answer)
Good for the game 13 10.00%
Bad for the game 81 62.31%
Have "Super Vets" and "Super" vet bills 47 36.15%
Just work harder than everyone else 11 8.46%
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Old 07-09-2018, 08:44 PM   #121
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Awwwwww. The poor baby.
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Old 07-10-2018, 04:00 PM   #122
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There once was a trainer named Servis,
Whose horses made bettors nervous.
He swore they were "streaks"
And they all passed their "leaks."
But he does the game a dis-service.
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:28 PM   #123
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Old 07-10-2018, 06:41 PM   #124
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This is beginning to look like that incident with Randal Gindi and Jorge Navarro all over again?
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:52 PM   #125
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Nothing to see here with Servis. Don't believe me, believe him!

https://www.horseracingnation.com/ne...arrassing_123#
Finally, Servis reveals the secret to his amazing success:

"If I'm not 3-1...I don't run."
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:15 PM   #126
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Finally, Servis reveals the secret to his amazing success:

"If I'm not 3-1...I don't run."
Aren't all his horses going to be 3-1 or lower now due to the singular fact that they are trained by Jason Servis?
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:32 PM   #127
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Aren't all his horses going to be 3-1 or lower now due to the singular fact that they are trained by Jason Servis?

Well his average odds have been 4/1 at Belmont, and in alw/stake races it has been 5.3/1....in those races he is 12/22, he also has a 20/1 winner in there (not quite 3/1)

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Old 07-10-2018, 11:03 PM   #128
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Aren't all his horses going to be 3-1 or lower now due to the singular fact that they are trained by Jason Servis?
They will be...in the last 36 seconds.
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Didn't want to start another thread for this. May not fit with this one.



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Old 07-14-2018, 02:42 PM   #130
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Well well well.
Who would have thought it wasn't his superior training talent at work!
He might be in line for a 5 day vacation and $100 fine!
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Old 07-17-2018, 12:54 PM   #132
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Mott "Bill" William is a Hall of Fame trainer, deservedly so. His long time assistant in New York is LeAnna Willaford, an outstanding horse woman in her own right. Both of these people, IMO, are people that the industry needs more of.

As a assistant trainer, Mrs. Willaford has many duties in the care of these horses. And one of those duties is overseeing what medications are given to these horse's.

On July 2nd, Mr. Williams accepted and served a 7 day suspension and paid a $1000.00 fine for a drug violation, that happened in New York. In this case I have no doubt that the overage was not intended in any way to try to improve the horses performance, but was simply a error in judging how long the drug would stay in the horses system. This happens to the best of people, but, is still a violation of the rules.

On July 2nd, his assistant, Leanna Willaford was granted her trainers license. Horses from Mr. Williams, that ran in New York during the suspension, were then reported as being trained by her. These horse's did not move, nor was there a change in their day to day training. They simply were able to stay in the same routine they were accustom to. In the week of the suspension, these horse's won over $190,000 in purse monies. And a percentage of those monies will be paid to Mrs. Willaford for being the trainer.

The change was reported in past performance's as follows. If the horse had no starts, Leanna was listed as the trainer, and it appeared that she had been training the horse the whole time. If the horse had a start, a trainer change was listed, and the date of the change was reported as if the change had happened on the date the horse last started. In both cases the information is false and misleading. If you knew that Leanna was Bill's New York assistant, you were not concerned, but if you did not know this, it gave you another factor to weigh in looking at the race.

Since the training facility that the horses were at is owned by Mr Williams, and is also listed as a boarding facility, it would not surprise me that he was able to charge Mrs. Willaford for the boarding of these animals.

So in the end, a trainer is suspended and fined. His assistant is granted a training license, and is allowed to run the horses. And the % of the purse monies won, is then given to the assistant trainer, who was one of the persons responsible for the drug violation in the first place. Then the assistant probably has to pay the suspended trainer, boarding fees.

All of this is perfectly legal under the rules that govern racing in New York.

Horse racing does not police itself, and with the way the rules are written, enables every trainer to be able to cheat.
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So they rejected Rick Dutrow's request to for a hearing to amend his license revocation.

Perfect scapegoat for this industry, makes it "look like they are doing something"......while the miscreants who ship their horses to the kill pens with racing plates still attached and lip tatoos literally filed off, and all the "too big to fail" trainers and their pharmacists get to keep doing whatever it is that they do.

Who else will get 10 years ..this year, or next year or the year after?

Answer: 0

AFAIC Dutrow fits right in with at least a dozen+ other trainers who are still licensed. A central governing body is needed to apply the rules evenly and fairly.

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Some comments.

Q: The CTT and the TOC’s push back against these new rules has been described as obstructionism and an attempt to shield cheaters. What is your position on OOC testing? Are you against its expansion in California?

A: Any suggestion that the TOC or the CTT condone cheating is patently preposterous. Both organizations, in writing and verbally, have made very clear that we are in favor of out-of-competition testing. We always have.

Great answer. You can say and write whatever the appropriate response should be. The thing is you have to eventually back up these statements by actions. So far, the only action you have shown is the opposition to the rules that are trying to be implemented.


Q: You’ve pinpointed a number of things you consider wrong with the proposed rules, including who is ultimately responsible for the horse when it’s outside a licensed facility. Can you summarize your position on this?

A: The language they’ve come up with to hold either the owner or the trainer responsible outside of the enclosure is something that needs a lot more work.

Now your getting somewhere, you oppose the rules because it would hold the trainers and owners responsible. Hmmm, really? I have a idea, just type a form that states once a horse leaves a "secured facility" Richard Dutrow is responsible for the horse and all your problems are solved. You are the same people that pushed the wording that allows owners to transfer a horse from a suspended trainer so it could race, and basically stopped suspension from being a punishment. If owners and trainers are not responsible for the horse, there is no way to stop cheating.

Q: So, why haven’t you delivered already a blueprint outlining what you would like to see in place, regarding the precision tracking of horses?

A: That’s why we’ve asked for working group meetings to brainstorm this problem. Are the racetracks really on top of the horses on the ground? They’re supposed to be, but they, generally speaking, aren’t. And any kind of flaw in the system can be exploited by cheaters. We don’t want the cheaters to be able to exploit the loopholes in the rules to get away with cheating — in the worst possible case, the horse being sent some place for a cheating procedure.

You want to talk about this for a long time. Delay, delay, delay. You don't want the cheaters to be able to exploit the loopholes? Sounds like you want to write the rules in a way so that the trainers and owners have loopholes so they are not responsible. And by the way, "cheaters" and "trainers and owners" are not two separate groups. There is only one group, trainers and owners. It just happens that some of the trainers and owners are cheaters.


Q: Okay, so what workable, tangible differences to what’s in the proposed rules could you consider being implemented?

A: We need to conquer the problem about how to determine when a horse is leaving the grounds and where its destination is. I can easily see some kind of methodology in terms of responsibility, some methodology of saying, ‘from this point forward, this horse is under the responsibility of x person.’


When a horse is leaving the grounds is a problem? This is the day the horse is loaded into a van, not to hard to figure this out. Where the horse is going is hard to figure out? This is where the above mentioned van stops and unloads the horse. Some methodology of saying, ‘from this point forward, this horse is under the responsibility of x person.’? You mean you want to be able to say who the "cheater" is, as long as it is not the trainer or owner.
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