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View Poll Results: Who Offers the Best PPs
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Equibase
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Brisnet
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57.38% |
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10-27-2011, 07:36 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Why can't they just use a number for trainers and jockeys?
5670945 would be the same person no matter how you spell his name, of if she gets married, or whatever.
I can see it now..."Come on 3495683, you friggin' anchor - whip that horse!"
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10-30-2011, 02:02 PM
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#92
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Location: Oklahoma
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I like the Bris, has more stats, ep and lp, track bias
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10-31-2011, 09:09 PM
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#93
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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In order to get the right number they would have to spell the name right...?? It is a lot better than it was years ago...not perfect tho
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11-01-2011, 03:50 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2001
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It is a lot better than it used to be. The drf file never got totally synced up with Equibase though. Still a few minor differences after almost two decades.
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12-11-2011, 07:05 AM
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Location: route 66
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DRF for me. But only for fast and firm tracks. If I would use speed figures predictively I would use Sartin. But to convert my own grading method into a speed projection for each horse Beyers are best.
By the way, DRF doesn't have a very good commercial understanding, imo. If you want to hook people into your numbers, give them free access to historical data for research and backtesting. Fine to charge for the form, but outside of that give away as much info for free as possible. That will only make people more dependent on Beyer figures. The power of the information age lies in the effortless ability to reach a huge audience. By charging for everything, DRF caters only to the narrowest market. Everything about them feels dinosaurish. They should borrow a page from Amazon and Facebook business models.
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12-11-2011, 07:22 AM
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By the way, DRF doesn't have a very good commercial understanding, imo. If you want to hook people into your numbers, give them free access to historical data for research and backtesting. Fine to charge for the form, but outside of that give away as much info for free as possible. That will only make people more dependent on Beyer figures. The power of the information age lies in the effortless ability to reach a huge audience. By charging for everything, DRF caters only to the narrowest market. Everything about them feels dinosaurish. They should borrow a page from Amazon and Facebook business models.[/QUOTE]
Spot on, mate!
But it ain't just the industry's bible that strikes "dinosaurish"--the industry itself has that arc of General Motors from the 70's on.
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12-11-2011, 07:32 AM
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EXCEL with SUPERFECTAS
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Originally Posted by Dark Horse
DRF for me. But only for fast and firm tracks. If I would use speed figures predictively I would use Sartin. But to convert my own grading method into a speed projection for each horse Beyers are best.
By the way, DRF doesn't have a very good commercial understanding, imo. If you want to hook people into your numbers, give them free access to historical data for research and backtesting. Fine to charge for the form, but outside of that give away as much info for free as possible. That will only make people more dependent on Beyer figures. The power of the information age lies in the effortless ability to reach a huge audience. By charging for everything, DRF caters only to the narrowest market. Everything about them feels dinosaurish. They should borrow a page from Amazon and Facebook business models.
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I agree, all the raw data should be free, they should only charge for data that is truly their own proprietary data.
However, who's going to pay for the basic raw data that they all must obtain first? That initial cost is passed to the end user now. Should that, instead, be absorbed by the providers as cost of doing business? Doubt that will ever happen.
Last edited by raybo; 12-11-2011 at 07:34 AM.
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12-11-2011, 09:12 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Lecanto, Florida
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I get all the BRIS ultimate past performances for free. One way is I download the PDF file from the trainers web site. If he has a horse running today in a track I like, then it is a free pop. The other way is to download the Bris Race of the Day pdf. Last, my Twinspires account allows me to download a full card at any track for free if I bet at least one race on the card. I like to get from different tracks each day. Usually I get 7-10 files to handicap. I really like the folks at BRIS for being so helpful to handicappers with all their free information on the site. Tons of articles with lots of insights into handicapping a race which is all for free. They are in what is called their Library.
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12-12-2011, 06:00 PM
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Location: route 66
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Originally Posted by raybo
I agree, all the raw data should be free, they should only charge for data that is truly their own proprietary data.
However, who's going to pay for the basic raw data that they all must obtain first? That initial cost is passed to the end user now. Should that, instead, be absorbed by the providers as cost of doing business? Doubt that will ever happen.
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They're missing out on the dynamic nature of the information age. The new business model may be too shocking for wrinkled heads. Give away as much information as possible. This creates goodwill and a large following. That goodwill in turn creates brand loyalty, and in this case dependency on Beyer figures. So in return for their initial generosity they get loyalty, greater following, and dependency by that loyal increased following. A good trade!
The choice before me, for instance, is to pay 1K or 2K for past data and thereby speed up the project I'm working on (conversion of projected form of day to speed figure), or go slower in developing that conversion scale. If I choose the slower pace, DRF gains nothing from me. But if they gave away the info I need, I'd be able to play more races, and would therefore be buying more of their forms, etc. In either case they end up with nothing for the old data (which I either don't buy or get for free), but in the latter case they hooked me. It just requires a more fluid longterm vision from them.
Last edited by Dark Horse; 12-12-2011 at 06:06 PM.
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04-27-2012, 11:39 PM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
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Originally Posted by redshift1
Noticed this site recently which appears to be an offshoot of Equibase.
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It's not an offshoot if you mean they are somehow owned or run by EB. This site simply pays Equibase to use its data in their product.
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04-28-2012, 01:16 AM
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04-29-2012, 08:27 AM
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no sample BEFORE purchase...no chance here...or w/most people... 
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04-29-2012, 02:27 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2012
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NO Equibase PP'S on any of the trainer/sire sites as of today.
wtf
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04-29-2012, 03:22 PM
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clean money
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by MightBeSosa
NO Equibase PP'S on any of the trainer/sire sites as of today.
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yea, I don't see any after yesterday other than a few sparse sire pps.
hopefully they are just making a change or having an issue.
I use the charts anyway but it is nice to have, and I'm sure it is good for handle. I canceled my bris account after that "free" special they ran a while back for one of their PP types and wrote on the website "be sure not to download after X" so I downloaded all before X date from that screen and they charged me for some stupid charlestown race because it was from a PREVIOUS week on the same download screen with no warning.
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