Religion II

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

So, if you see someone jump off a station platform into an oncoming speeding train, you should not believe your eyes?

I did not say that at all. If you observe such an event then any conclusion is the result of your interpretation of electro-chemical signals from your optic nerve. Your eye is an instrument just as a microscope is an instrument.

All observation is indirect observation. That does not mean that accurate conclusions cannot be made from such observations. For example, do you think that you can get out of a speeding ticket by pointing out that the cop's radar gun is an indirect observation?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Dahossdaboss

He always does. He’s always trying to prove he can edit me or ban me whenever.

Kind of sad really.

Oh well, this was fun again. Be well Thaskalos.

Be sure to come back when you can stay longer -- and don't let PA's heavy, pearly gates hit ya on the way out.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by boxcar

...nevertheless, I am very special in God's eyes since he set his affections upon me in eternity, adopted me into his family and predestined me live forever with him and gazzillions of other brothers and sisters in the Lord.

This is the sort of advanced lunacy that allows psychiatrists to fly in their own jet airplanes.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

I did not say that at all. If you observe such an event then any conclusion is the result of your interpretation of electro-chemical signals from your optic nerve. Your eye is an instrument just as a microscope is an instrument.

All observation is indirect observation. That does not mean that accurate conclusions cannot be made from such observations. For example, do you think that you can get out of a speeding ticket by pointing out that the cop's radar gun is an indirect observation?

But how do you know your interpretation of the jumper event is accurate?

Also, according to you, you're implying there is absolutely no difference between you seeing the jumper jump and you receiving a report from someone else who allegedly saw the incident.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Also, while I'm not above anyone, since it wasn't by any act of my will that I was born again; ...

Do you mean your free will?

Originally Posted by boxcar

... nevertheless, I am very special in God's eyes since he set his affections upon me in eternity, adopted me into his family and predestined me live forever with him and gazzillions of other brothers and sisters in the Lord.

Why you and not me?

[Light]

Originally Posted by boxcar

What part of THROUGH FAITH didn't you get? It very much matters if one does or doesn't believe.

Not the point. The point is that whether you have faith or not or whether you believe or not is not your own doing. It is a GIFT. Just like your entire life is.

Originally Posted by boxcar

nevertheless, I am very special in God's eyes...

What you fail to understand is that EVERYBODY IS SPECIAL IN GOD'S EYES.

You look at yourself as special to God from an egotistical way. Like you think you follow God like others can't or can do things others can't. God is not interested in that because he gave you everything you got. So it's not your "abilities" that God is looking at. It is beyond your ego and you can't see what it is because your ego is in the way.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

But how do you know your interpretation of the jumper event is accurate?

I don't and neither do you nor anyone else. Read Descartes. Cogito, ergo sum!

[Dahossdaboss]

Originally Posted by boxcar

The real reason you want nothing do with heaven is because Jesus is LORD there, just as he is here; yet, you can't stand the thought of Him having authority over you here, so how in the world would you be able stand Him for all eternity there?

I love when you get flustered and twist words.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Dahossdaboss

I guess I’m confused. You always told me you wanted people to post as much as possible.

I guess you want people to post as much as possible as long as it fits the narrative. Duly noted.

I just think it's hilarious you attack others and say PA is their life because they spend so much time here.

You obviously can't get enough because now you're in the religious thread of all places, stalking yet another poster.

Oh yeah, you accuse others of stalking you...another thing I find hilarious, when you've always been one of the biggest stalkers ever to grace this URL.

[Dahossdaboss]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I just think it's hilarious you attack others and say PA is their life because they spend so much time here.

You obviously can't get enough because now you're in the religious thread of all places, stalking yet another poster.

Oh yeah, you accuse others of stalking you...another thing I find hilarious, when you've always been one of the biggest stalkers ever to grace this URL.

So now I’m stalking Boxcar?

Maybe you can let me know what threads im allowed to post in and who I’m allowed to converse with.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Dahossdaboss

I love when you get flustered and twist words.

Christ told his disciples that worldly fellas like yourself hate Him. Since you want nothing to do with his lordship in this world, what makes you think that you'd want anything to do with him in the next?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Dahossdaboss

So now I’m stalking Boxcar?

Maybe you can let me know what threads im allowed to post in and who I’m allowed to converse with.

You accuse others of stalking you, do you not?

Maybe you should live by the above rules and not call them stalkers.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Well....we're making progress. Kool. You admit that everyone is morally flawed. Now, how did everyone get that way?

No,. I admit the flawed ones are as in the cartoon I posted points out, Christians,....especially fundamentalist Evangelicals who buy "ORDINAL SIN"

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

I don't and neither do you nor anyone else. Read Descartes. Cogito, ergo sum!

So, then, neither do any of the high priests of sceintism, as they try to interpret the universe.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Light

Not the point. The point is that whether you have faith or not or whether you believe or not is not your own doing. It is a GIFT. Just like your entire life is.



What you fail to understand is that EVERYBODY IS SPECIAL IN GOD'S EYES.

You look at yourself as special to God from an egotistical way. Like you think you follow God like others can't or can do things others can't. God is not interested in that because he gave you everything you got. So it's not your "abilities" that God is looking at. It is beyond your ego and you can't see what it is because your ego is in the way.

What you fail to understand is that not much with "everybody is special". Esau wasn't very special in God's eyes. Nor was Ishamael. The reason I'm special, as are all God's elect, is because God made us special. For example, all God's elect share in Jesus' birthright and inheritance. Universal adoption is not taught anywhere in scripture.

Also, those who do not believe make that choice to not believe, so it is by their own doing that they commit the unpardonable sin, and get judged on the last day.