private clocker reports

[elhelmete]

(If it matters, I'm on the west coast).

I played around with two day's worth of purchased private clocker reports.

I'm not sure what I think of them. The ones I had didn't offer too much insight for a majority of the horses.

The biggest question mark for me was for MSWs, which was a big reason I decided to buy a few reports. In a 10 horse field, for example, the clocker would only have info on, say, 6 horses. That leaves 40% of the field uncovered. No matter how good a horse in the 60% might have worked, I can't have much confidence when 40% of his competition is a blank.

What's everyone's experience?

[Pensacola Pete]

It's another tool in the box. It won't work standalone. If you're betting serious money, then you need to decide if it's worth the expense.

[acorn54]

not to be a smart ass but if it is PRIVATE workout report, how many of these reports are available to the public. i've seen this marketing technique, the seller of something says he will give you the "edge" with his info, when he is selling it to every tom,dick, and harry.

[Rise Over Run]

Originally Posted by acorn54

not to be a smart ass but if it is PRIVATE workout report, how many of these reports are available to the public. i've seen this marketing technique, the seller of something says he will give you the "edge" with his info, when he is selling it to every tom,dick, and harry and elhelmete .

FTFY

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by acorn54

not to be a smart ass but if it is PRIVATE workout report, how many of these reports are available to the public. i've seen this marketing technique, the seller of something says he will give you the "edge" with his info, when he is selling it to every tom,dick, and harry.

Private just means that its PPV.

The more people who have it, the less valuable it becomes. I hear TVG guys talking about workout information on tv, so if you are paying for those workout comments you dont want those TVG guys handing that out for free, it becomes less necessary to purchase this stuff if those guys can talk about it on tv.

[Silver florin]

Originally Posted by elhelmete

(If it matters, I'm on the west coast).

I played around with two day's worth of purchased private clocker reports.

I'm not sure what I think of them. The ones I had didn't offer too much insight for a majority of the horses.

The biggest question mark for me was for MSWs, which was a big reason I decided to buy a few reports. In a 10 horse field, for example, the clocker would only have info on, say, 6 horses. That leaves 40% of the field uncovered. No matter how good a horse in the 60% might have worked, I can't have much confidence when 40% of his competition is a blank.

What's everyone's experience?

Waste of money.

[pandy]

Andy Harrington's report is expensive but he is very good.

[sammy the sage]

http://www.drf.com/blogs/fornatale-c...expertise-cash

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by sammy the sage

http://www.drf.com/blogs/fornatale-c...expertise-cash

"I didnt set out to be the greatest of all time, i just did"

Love that quote!

[tanner12oz]

All works ate supposed to be published correct?

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

All works ate supposed to be published correct?

How can anyone look at the listed time for a work and learn anything?
Frequency of workouts is important, but times mean little.

The ease with which a horse is working is the golden nugget of information.
Published workouts reveal nothing about this.

[tanner12oz]

Wasn't my point...was merely thinking outloud that something is fishy when horses are entering stakes races with a published work in 6 months...

[Milkshaker]

For those who aren't familiar--Several of the SoCal private clocker reports give you a whole paragraph of HOW the horse looked and who (if anyone) the horse worked in company with. At least one clocker also ranks the works on a subjective A+ down to F grade.

Had good luck with several of these in the early 2000s (particularly helpful with layoffs, FTS, and getting to know the patterns of "betting" trainers).

When the SoCal tracks switched to synthetics, I emailed the private clocker whose reports I thought were the most valuable asking him what was up with the bizarre dropoff in the reliability of morning works being replicated in the afternoon.

Long story short: He gave me a very honest reply stating that since the switch to synthetics (particularly at Del Mar) it was total chaos and randomness as to how those works would stand up to predicting race results. Said the Del Mar poly was an entirely different beast after training closed and the sun blazed on it for several hours before post time.

I've bought the reports once or twice since then on big days, but generally stayed away from betting SoCal entirely because of it.

[pandy]

I had the same experience, the works at Del Mar in particular were not reliable because of the changing track conditions. But the reports from the dirt works were very good. The thing with these workout reports, they will lead you into some winners, and lead you onto some losers. The key is getting some nice longshots in there through the course of a year, but so many bettors have access to the reports now that it's tougher to get the big payoffs. The reports are best for maidens and lightly raced horses coming off layoffs. Older horses aren't always that enthusiastic about their work but may still be ready.

[horses4courses]

[QUOTE=pandy]The reports are best for maidens and lightly raced horses coming off layoffs. [QUOTE]

Spot on here.

The problem has become that the world and his wife
now looks to these sources in those situations, and
the horses get bet down like crazy.