NJ Casino Expansion Shot Down

[MonmouthParkJoe]

79% voted against.

Looks like Caputo will decide if he will try to amend legislation to allow slot machines to avoid a referendum, but will be based on how this casino expansion vote turned out. Not looking good.

Hard to be optimistic about NJ racing after the previous Monmouth meet and this being shot down.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by MonmouthParkJoe

79% voted against.

Looks like Caputo will decide if he will try to amend legislation to allow slot machines to avoid a referendum, but will be based on how this casino expansion vote turned out. Not looking good.

Hard to be optimistic about NJ racing after the previous Monmouth meet and this being shot down.

$9000 purse beaten 5k claimers coming this summer to MP!

[Secondbest]

What about sports betting?

[SuperPickle]

Well you can mark this day as the day Monmouth Park was sentenced to death. At this point it's just a matter of time.

There's no words for what the South Jersey political machine did to Gural and his crew. Ate his lunch and then some. I'm fairly certain in the upcoming months he'll announce his exercising of the out on his Meadowlands lease.

Here's the kicker. Gural waved the white flag last month. So why did anti-casino people keep spending money when the competition had left town? Simple. They weren't trying to win a vote. They were trying to win a mandate. They didn't win a vote they won an issue long-term. 79%! It'll will be a long-time before someone financial backs a campaign to open a Meadowlands casino. And that's what the anti-casino people wanted. Not victory. Total defeat of the opposition.

Rough day to be a Jersey racing fan.

[EasyGoer89]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

Well you can mark this day as the day Monmouth Park was sentenced to death. At this point it's just a matter of time.

There's no words for what the South Jersey political machine did to Gural and his crew. Ate his lunch and then some. I'm fairly certain in the upcoming months he'll announce his exercising of the out on his Meadowlands lease.

Here's the kicker. Gural waved the white flag last month. So why did anti-casino people keep spending money when the competition had left town? Simple. They weren't trying to win a vote. They were trying to win a mandate. They didn't win a vote they won an issue long-term. 79%! It'll will be a long-time before someone financial backs a campaign to open a Meadowlands casino. And that's what the anti-casino people wanted. Not victory. Total defeat of the opposition.

Rough day to be a Jersey racing fan.

You would think its not just south jersey it's Ny and Pa too.

[SuperPickle]

Originally Posted by EasyGoer89

You would think its not just south jersey it's Ny and Pa too.

Oh the money definitely came from far and wide. But the South Jersey political machine was the one that lead the charge.

[MonmouthParkJoe]

Originally Posted by Secondbest

What about sports betting?

This has been shot down in the past as well.


For years now I was optimistic about the casino expansion and that it would help stabilize racing in NJ. Gural was planning to cut the stakes program for harness but recently went on record to say he wasnt for 2017.

I do agree though, I just cant be optimistic about things to come. Such a damn shame.

[affirmedny]

I don't think the tracks were going to get much money from the deal(I read 3M per year somewhere). Not nearly enough money to compete with the other slot tracks in the area. I think that's why Gural gave up so easily.

[Zaf]

What about exchange betting ? I don't hear much about it. Was it a success ?

Z

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

Oh the money definitely came from far and wide. But the South Jersey political machine was the one that lead the charge.

Genting lead the charge they are the main backers behind Bad bet for NJ they own World resorts at Aqueduct. Several people who did the commercials were interviewed and stated they thought it was AC that paid for this and that's where the supposed 30000 jobs could be lost, it was all a big lie. The silver lining to this is the possibility of slot machines at the racetracks something that is not dead at all. Genting also put in for a license for an Upstate NY casino.

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Originally Posted by onefast99

The silver lining to this is the possibility of slot machines at the racetracks something that is not dead at all.

NOTHING is happening until Phil Murphy is sitting in the Governor's office.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by Bluto Blutarsky

NOTHING is happening until Phil Murphy is sitting in the Governor's office.

The current Governor will be out in late January, mark it down.

[SuperPickle]

Originally Posted by onefast99

The current Governor will be out in late January, mark it down.

Jared kushner isn't letting his father-in-law put the guy who locked up his father into a cabinet level position. Payback is a you know what.

Politics aside racetracks in New Jersey are NEVER getting casinos or expanded gambling because there's 10-15 casinos that would spend a fortune to protect their monopoly.

And slots? Delaware Park has slots. How's that going?

[alhattab]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

Jared kushner isn't letting his father-in-law put the guy who locked up his father into a cabinet level position. Payback is a you know what.

Politics aside racetracks in New Jersey are NEVER getting casinos or expanded gambling because there's 10-15 casinos that would spend a fortune to protect their monopoly.

And slots? Delaware Park has slots. How's that going?

Interesting about Kushner. I didn't know about Charles (Jareds father) and Gov connection. But Pickle I don't see much difference between being named to run the transition team and getting a position- cabinet or otherwise- on the Trump team. I expect Christie will move on also- it will serve the party best and gives Guadagno at least a chance in 2017.

My thought was Morris Bailey could have some say in this. However I don't know if hes even in the picture at all. Anyone know?

There are a few crazy things about this whole thing. One is that in NJ you can gamble in AC and you can gamble at home, but nowhere else like at an existing gaming facility. The other is that the AC casinos pay a fraction of what casinos owned by the same corporate interests willingly signed up for in other states. Why don't we just push the taxes up to the levels paid in neighboring states where the AC outfits have opened casinos twice as close to AC as the North Jersey casinos would be? God the people in this state are utterly clueless.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

Jared kushner isn't letting his father-in-law put the guy who locked up his father into a cabinet level position. Payback is a you know what.

Politics aside racetracks in New Jersey are NEVER getting casinos or expanded gambling because there's 10-15 casinos that would spend a fortune to protect their monopoly.

And slots? Delaware Park has slots. How's that going?

Christie prosecuted him up for the right reasons, he wasnt a bit remorseful for what he did. Christie will get the Attorney General position most likely. Slots will be the saving grace for both NJ tracks, Codey is quietly pushing this right now as you read this.