Religious

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

In Heaven wherein only Righteousness dwells there will be none of the above. So...figure it out why we have these curses upon this earth.

They are random events! Right?

And you say these are "all caused by man."

Global warming!!

[VigorsTheGrey]

Originally Posted by Actor

They are random events! Right?

And you say these are "all caused by man."

Global warming!!

Actor, where exactly did the big bang occur?

Every physical place is located by referencing other physical places... Since time and space where both created IN the big bang...since the universe did not exist yet, WHERE could it have possibly occurred? As I have asked before....Where IS here?

[Actor]

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

Actor, where exactly did the big bang occur?

Everywhere.

Time and space both came into being at the instant of the Big Bang. The initial volume of the universe was very small, possibly zero. Space itself expanded. So the Big Bang occurred everywhere.

[VigorsTheGrey]

Originally Posted by Actor

Everywhere.

Time and space both came into being at the instant of the Big Bang. The initial volume of the universe was very small, possibly zero. Space itself expanded. So the Big Bang occurred everywhere.

Zero volume? Zero volume of what? There isn't anything around to be a volume of anything...no time, no space, no matter, no energy...this is the fundamental problem with the theory...the explanation begins only about the process once it is already to some extent developed but give no explanation about what gave rise to this phenomenon... The ONLY reasonable answer that one can infer is that NOTHING GAVE RISE TO IT since there was nothing prior to it to initiate any kind of action...
...We are forced to concede that everything may have originated spontaneously from nothing at all...and that in itself is miraculous and beyond the laws of science which the scientists openly admit...

This maybe the case, but why do theists immediately grab onto this conclusion and use it to declare that a diety was responsible for this?

How does one get to that bizarre conclusion, that some super-being must have done it? I feel much more comfortable saying that "I don't know"...

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

They are random events! Right?

And you say these are "all caused by man."

Global warming!!

The entire creation is under God's curse due to man's sin. Only in the next age will the curse be lifted after God restores all things through Christ (Act 3:21; Rev 22:3).

And, no, natural disasters are not random. God is in sovereign control over all his creation.

[VigorsTheGrey]

Originally Posted by boxcar

The entire creation is under God's curse due to man's sin. Only in the next age will the curse be lifted after God restores all things through Christ (Act 3:21; Rev 22:3).

And, no, natural disasters are not random. God is in sovereign control over all his creation.

This is complete rubbish boxcar...if the bible says this then the bible is rubbish and you, sir, are a fool....time to wake up.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

Actor, where exactly did the big bang occur?

Every physical place is located by referencing other physical places... Since time and space where both created IN the big bang...since the universe did not exist yet, WHERE could it have possibly occurred? As I have asked before....Where IS here?

Sometimes you do amaze me. Even space itself must be referenced by physical objects.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Even space itself must be referenced by physical objects.

Why?

[Actor]

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

This is complete rubbish boxcar...if the bible says this then the bible is rubbish and you, sir, are a fool....time to wake up.

The fool hath said in his heart "there is a god."

[Actor]

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

Zero volume? Zero volume of what? There isn't anything around to be a volume of anything...no time, no space, no matter, no energy...this is the fundamental problem with the theory...the explanation begins only about the process once it is already to some extent developed but give no explanation about what gave rise to this phenomenon... The ONLY reasonable answer that one can infer is that NOTHING GAVE RISE TO IT since there was nothing prior to it to initiate any kind of action...

I agree it's hard to get your head around it. What you have to understand is that there was no "prior to it." Time began with the big bang. In that sense the universe has always existed and is eternal since always and eternal only go back to the big bang.

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

...We are forced to concede that everything may have originated spontaneously from nothing at all...and that in itself is miraculous and beyond the laws of science which the scientists openly admit...

What scientists "openly admit" is that it is beyond the laws of science that we know today. We're still working on it.

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

This maybe the case, but why do theists immediately grab onto this conclusion and use it to declare that a diety was responsible for this?

Because the deity is their favorite toy.

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

How does one get to that bizarre conclusion, that some super-being must have done it? I feel much more comfortable saying that "I don't know"...

Me too, but they don't.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

The entire creation is under God's curse due to man's sin. Only in the next age will the curse be lifted after God restores all things through Christ (Act 3:21; Rev 22:3).

And, no, natural disasters are not random. God is in sovereign control over all his creation.

There were natural disasters long before man came on the scene. Did the dinosaurs do something to piss God off? Did some tyrannosaur eat the brontosaur of the knowledge of good and evil? Was the asteroid the Jurassic equivalent of the flood?

[VigorsTheGrey]

Originally Posted by Actor

Everywhere.

Time and space both came into being at the instant of the Big Bang. The initial volume of the universe was very small, possibly zero. Space itself expanded. So the Big Bang occurred everywhere.

Expansion doesn't make any sense unless there is some other medium that the expansion expands into...the big bang can't occur everywhere and at the same time expand everywhere at the same time...that doesn't make any sense...if it did it would be expanding into the same place it originated from as well.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by Actor

What scientists "openly admit" is that it is beyond the laws of science that we know today. We're still working on it.

You and scientists will be running out of time shortly, but by all means "keep working on it"......BTW, the answers you're looking for won't be found in the LHC either.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

..the big bang can't occur everywhere and at the same time expand everywhere at the same time...

Actor is in agreement with Stephen Hawking, whether or not it makes sense to you or me.
Physicists have ideas that I sometimes can't comprehend.
Or, to put it another way, it hurts my mind to grapple with some of their concepts.
Never the less, what Actor is saying is accepted as fact by renowned physicists.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

You and scientists will be running out of time shortly, ...

Why? What's going to happen shortly?